The Chief Posted April 26, 2023 Share #2051 Posted April 26, 2023 1 час назад, vbz14216 сказал: i219-LM and i219-V are pretty much identical(can be modded with EEPROM tricks) WOW! Found this in internet, VERY useful, thanx a lot! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xandyr Posted April 26, 2023 Share #2052 Posted April 26, 2023 I have problem finding my NAS after running through the ARPL steps. Im trying to run a bare metal NAS on AMD 3400G with an onboard NIC (RTL8111H), 4 HDDs and the USB for the bootloader. I have tried version v0.5-alpha1 of ARPL, and also the latest 1.1-beta2 with following DS918/DS920/DS3622xs using build 42962. I can't find my NAS through Synology Assistant or https://finds.synology.com/. It doesnt appear at all. I can see it for a very brief time via my router network map but then it disappears. I have previously been running DSM 6 withJun 1.04b without any problems. Any ideas what could be the problem? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
altas Posted April 26, 2023 Share #2053 Posted April 26, 2023 56 minutes ago, Xandyr said: I have problem finding my NAS after running through the ARPL steps. Im trying to run a bare metal NAS on AMD 3400G with an onboard NIC (RTL8111H), 4 HDDs and the USB for the bootloader. I have tried version v0.5-alpha1 of ARPL, and also the latest 1.1-beta2 with following DS918/DS920/DS3622xs using build 42962. I can't find my NAS through Synology Assistant or https://finds.synology.com/. It doesnt appear at all. I can see it for a very brief time via my router network map but then it disappears. I have previously been running DSM 6 withJun 1.04b without any problems. Any ideas what could be the problem? is a common problem sometimes with ARPL try TCRP without friend i had same on my Baremetal installaton in HP GEN8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xandyr Posted April 26, 2023 Share #2054 Posted April 26, 2023 17 minutes ago, altas said: is a common problem sometimes with ARPL try TCRP without friend i had same on my Baremetal installaton in HP GEN8 Thanks. What is TCRP without friend? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
altas Posted April 26, 2023 Share #2055 Posted April 26, 2023 check with friend is a little helper to build the loader, but my installation was not working with it.. so i used the old way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frezeen Posted April 26, 2023 Share #2056 Posted April 26, 2023 (edited) today i discovery that disk SMR have bad write speed performance, yes, i dont know before i buy one. anyways i try some settings with proxmox and ARPL for to fix something,if i can, and i discovery this: i try some disk settings for to passthru disk to my DSM VM. my disk is a segate desktop backup+ 6tb USB i pass the disk with qm set ID -scsi (or -sata) /dev/.... etc etc i read that SMR disk start to lose write speed when u start to write some data on it... at 100% free space disk look a normal disk and normal speed. i notice that a single 100gb file writed on a 6tb disk is enough for to start to lose performance so if u want to test disk and have a new free disk, first, copy at least 100gb data on it than start tests the command i use in DSM shell is: fio --name TEST --eta-newline=5s --filename=temp.file --rw=write --size=60g --io_size=100g --blocksize=1024k --ioengine=libaio --fsync=10000 --iodepth=32 --direct=1 --numjobs=1 --runtime=300 --group_reporting test file is 60gb and this are results with settings i try: -scsiX, cache (write back) , discard yes, IO yes, ssd emulation no WRITE: bw=63.4MiB/s (66.4MB/s), 63.4MiB/s-63.4MiB/s (66.4MB/s-66.4MB/s), io=19.5GiB (21.0GB), run=315600-315600msec -scsiX cache (write back), discard no, IO yes, ssd emulation no WRITE: bw=63.4MiB/s (66.5MB/s), 63.4MiB/s-63.4MiB/s (66.5MB/s-66.5MB/s), io=19.5GiB (21.0GB), run=315426-315426msec -scsiX, cache disabled, discard yes, IO yes,ssd emulation no WRITE: bw=108MiB/s (113MB/s), 108MiB/s-108MiB/s (113MB/s-113MB/s), io=31.6GiB (33.9GB), run=300217-300217msec look first 3 tests , cache enabled slowing the disk and discard has no effect -sataX, cache disabled, Discard yes, IO n.a., ssd emulation no WRITE: bw=120MiB/s (126MB/s), 120MiB/s-120MiB/s (126MB/s-126MB/s), io=35.1GiB (37.7GB), run=300135-300135msec i notice now: sata is better than scsi,but discard yes or not continue with no differences on HDD. i read trim help a SMR and we know discard is a trim command, so, why no affect tests? maybe trim is not enabled in syno OS becouse its a HDD so a try to emulate it like a ssd and see if work: -sataX, cache disabled, discard yes, io n.a., ssd emulation yes WRITE: bw=133MiB/s (140MB/s), 133MiB/s-133MiB/s (140MB/s-140MB/s), io=39.0GiB (41.9GB), run=300104-300104msec so.. for my test, best settings for a SMR disk on proxmox VM and DSM is last one: pass the disk to vm with sata mode, disable cache, enable ssd emulation, enable discard (trim) 133 mb/s is like a normal HDD, disk continue to have some random peak low speed (less than 1 sec long) but average is good enough. just for fun, test the disk with win11 out of box, format it , copy 100 gb data for to start low performace mode and start speed test. write speed on win11 is 60-80mb/s , always 60gb test file, 5 test runs. same speed of test with cache enabled on proxmox sorry for long post, what do u guys think? can someone try it too? Edited April 26, 2023 by frezeen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chief Posted April 27, 2023 Share #2057 Posted April 27, 2023 7 часов назад, frezeen сказал: what do u guys think? I think that SMR drives are totaly useless SH*T. And what difference you expect from discard/trim? When PMR cache zone is overloaded, SMR drives are choked, rewriting data in SMR append-only zones. ZBC/ZAC (Zoned SATA/SCSI Command set) can help a bit, but not too much, and TRIM commands are not translated into ZBC/ZAC. So: SMR drives are slow and barely usable in NAS in all common scenarios and nothing can help with it. It's better to replace them with PMR drives. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frezeen Posted April 27, 2023 Share #2058 Posted April 27, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, The Chief said: I think that SMR drives are totaly useless SH*T. And what difference you expect from discard/trim? When PMR cache zone is overloaded, SMR drives are choked, rewriting data in SMR append-only zones. ZBC/ZAC (Zoned SATA/SCSI Command set) can help a bit, but not too much, and TRIM commands are not translated into ZBC/ZAC. So: SMR drives are slow and barely usable in NAS in all common scenarios and nothing can help with it. It's better to replace them with PMR drives. i have a 8tb drive too , not SMR , wirte speed is about 170mb/s ... SMR out of box at 60mb/s is ******* for sure how u said, SMR at 133mb/s with that setting is not that bad .. but.. its normal a PMR drive is better how 2x ssd raid 0 is more better too. the post is NOT for to say: "oh... my ,useless for NAS , SMR disk is mega super wonderfull now" anyways, for me, setting do a big difference.. my lan is 1gbits/s (110mb/s) , i can transfer files at full speed to nas now.. with my SMR drive i cant it without that settings, and , i cant with real syno too (or ARPL bare installation) with this disk maybe Edited April 27, 2023 by frezeen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chief Posted April 27, 2023 Share #2059 Posted April 27, 2023 1 час назад, frezeen сказал: SMR at 133mb/s with that setting is not that bad It's still bad, like 10years old antique HDDs. Yes, you've made some voodoo, got some effect, but imho, it does not worth all efforts. Just don't buy SMR, they're bad for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xandyr Posted April 27, 2023 Share #2060 Posted April 27, 2023 23 hours ago, altas said: check with friend is a little helper to build the loader, but my installation was not working with it.. so i used the old way. Thanks, but still cant get it to work. Now I cant even build the loader... What I did: - Download TCRP and Write Image to the USB Flash Drive - ./rploader.sh update (clicked Y) - ./rploader.sh fullupgrade (clicked Y) - ./rploader.sh identifyusb (clicked Y) - ./rploader.sh serialgen DS3622xs+ - ./rploader.sh satamap (here I cant change the SataPortMap or DiskIdxMap. I have tried with different numbers to add as per the recommended settings, Recommended settings: SataPortMap=4 DiskIdxMap=00). And I dont understand how to manually edit and save it either via command vi user_config.json - ./rploader.sh build broadwellnk-7.1.0-42661 (says "platform not found"). What do I miss here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puls200 Posted April 28, 2023 Share #2061 Posted April 28, 2023 20 часов назад, Xandyr сказал: - ./rploader.sh build broadwellnk-7.1.0-42661 (says "platform not found"). What do I miss here? enter - ./rploader.sh build and you will see the platforms are called, instruction old. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xandyr Posted April 29, 2023 Share #2062 Posted April 29, 2023 On 4/28/2023 at 12:27 PM, puls200 said: enter - ./rploader.sh build and you will see the platforms are called, instruction old. Ok thanks. So after typing in ./rploader.sh build and seeing what platforms there are I type in: ./rploader.sh build <correct build>? What about my question regarding command ./rploader.sh satamap and how to actually change this to the recommended settings? I can figure out how to do the correct changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Suh Posted April 29, 2023 Share #2063 Posted April 29, 2023 2 hours ago, Xandyr said: Ok thanks. So after typing in ./rploader.sh build and seeing what platforms there are I type in: ./rploader.sh build <correct build>? What about my question regarding command ./rploader.sh satamap and how to actually change this to the recommended settings? I can figure out how to do the correct changes. TCRP FRIEND can be built in menu method like ARPL. https://github.com/PeterSuh-Q3/tinycore-redpill/releases And, this is the place to discuss ARPL. For inquiries about TCRP or M SHELL for TCRP, please click here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkW Posted April 30, 2023 Share #2064 Posted April 30, 2023 Hi there, I would like to say that the install of this on my PC was SO !!!! simple compared to JUNs and others available here. DSM 7.1.1-42962 Update 5 DS918+ motherboard ASROCK H97 anniversary INTEL Celeron J3455 3.6 GHz cores 4 memory 6144 MB I had Juns v6 installed before and that was working Great, but wanted to update it, I tried some others from here but found them complicated. So I used this one and haven't looked back. Its great. Thank to all have made this loader happen and fbelavenuto the Developer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CopeyJC Posted April 30, 2023 Share #2065 Posted April 30, 2023 Hi, I've just reinstalled using ARPL and it went without issue. However, I've noticed a memory usage in Proxmox reporting 6GB @idle whereas DSM is reporting 700MB @idle. Is this an issue with the ARPL loader or my VM config? I've used TCRP without this issue but thought I'd try ARPL for a new VM instance... Many thanks Platform: Proxmox VM Loader: ARPL v1.1-beta2a Build: DS3622xs+ CPU: 6C/12T Memory: 4GB min - 16GB max Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xandyr Posted April 30, 2023 Share #2066 Posted April 30, 2023 On 4/29/2023 at 3:37 PM, Peter Suh said: TCRP FRIEND can be built in menu method like ARPL. https://github.com/PeterSuh-Q3/tinycore-redpill/releases And, this is the place to discuss ARPL. For inquiries about TCRP or M SHELL for TCRP, please click here. Life saver! Used the method with TCRP FRIEND and could find the NAS and migrate my system. Now its up and running with latest DSM 7 Thank you very much! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loveburn Posted April 30, 2023 Share #2067 Posted April 30, 2023 Anyone tried update DSM 7.1.1 to 7.2 RC on ARPL? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JNNog Posted April 30, 2023 Share #2068 Posted April 30, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, loveburn said: Anyone tried update DSM 7.1.1 to 7.2 RC on ARPL? using arpl-i18n v23.4.5 worked just fine (fresh install). Running the new DSM 7.2-64551 (RC) Edited April 30, 2023 by JNNog forgot to mention if it was update or fresh install Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loveburn Posted May 1, 2023 Share #2069 Posted May 1, 2023 (edited) 12 часов назад, JNNog сказал: i18n thanks ,i am trying to change loader without data lost! Edited May 1, 2023 by loveburn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manepape Posted May 1, 2023 Share #2070 Posted May 1, 2023 Hi, How to change menu from chines to french or English in tinycore-redpill-uefi.v0.9.4.3-2.m-shell.img. Thanks in advance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orphée Posted May 1, 2023 Share #2071 Posted May 1, 2023 1 hour ago, manepape said: Hi, How to change menu from chines to french or English in tinycore-redpill-uefi.v0.9.4.3-2.m-shell.img. Thanks in advance. Type "L" on your keyboard, it should select language menu. Hit enter and change your language. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black6spdZ Posted May 1, 2023 Share #2072 Posted May 1, 2023 I like ARPL for it's simplicity "no GUI setup" but it doesn't inject drivers for my Realtek 8156 USB 3 2.5GbE adapter even though it uses it during bootloader setup 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcgechevarria Posted May 2, 2023 Share #2073 Posted May 2, 2023 (edited) On 4/26/2023 at 2:14 PM, Xandyr said: I have problem finding my NAS after running through the ARPL steps. Im trying to run a bare metal NAS on AMD 3400G with an onboard NIC (RTL8111H), 4 HDDs and the USB for the bootloader. I have tried version v0.5-alpha1 of ARPL, and also the latest 1.1-beta2 with following DS918/DS920/DS3622xs using build 42962. I can't find my NAS through Synology Assistant or https://finds.synology.com/. It doesnt appear at all. I can see it for a very brief time via my router network map but then it disappears. I have previously been running DSM 6 withJun 1.04b without any problems. Any ideas what could be the problem? I have the same problem, with a Gigabyte B150M-D3H DDR3, if I create the bootloader for a DS3615XS, when loading DSM, it seems to do a NIC reset, but the NIC doesn't link again, so Synology Assistant doesn't work. it finds it, on the other hand if I use the DS 3622xs+ model it also resets the NIC, but it does link and I can find it with the asistant, the fact is that I have created the bootloader flash drive 10 times and none of them have worked well for me with the DS3615xs...and it has always worked with the DS3622xs+, the NIC on this board is an Intel... Edited May 2, 2023 by jcgechevarria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CopeyJC Posted May 2, 2023 Share #2074 Posted May 2, 2023 On 4/30/2023 at 1:27 PM, CopeyJC said: Hi, I've just reinstalled using ARPL and it went without issue. However, I've noticed a memory usage in Proxmox reporting 6GB @idle whereas DSM is reporting 700MB @idle. Is this an issue with the ARPL loader or my VM config? I've used TCRP without this issue but thought I'd try ARPL for a new VM instance... Many thanks Platform: Proxmox VM Loader: ARPL v1.1-beta2a Build: DS3622xs+ CPU: 6C/12T Memory: 4GB min - 16GB max Is anyone able to shine some light on this please? Memory usage is reporting 12GB today. thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solifuge Posted May 2, 2023 Share #2075 Posted May 2, 2023 Hi, after update to last version I got this error when booting up: grub error symbol grub_disk_native_sectors not found. I'm using VMware 6.5. Could you please help me ? Thank you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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