attilioilvecio Posted February 9 Share #826 Posted February 9 (edited) how can I solve it? I ordered the Asrock J4125 mainboard , but I would also like to run on AMD Edited February 9 by attilioilvecio Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dyter Posted February 10 Share #827 Posted February 10 Le 11/01/2024 à 13:23, Orphée a dit : Since this comment I did, It as been confirmed that : DVA1622 : can work with older than 4th gen CPU, but no AI then. Must have 4th to 9th gen intel CPU with iGPU to have AI features. DVA3221 : can't work without at least 4th gen CPU. Needs Nvidia GPU for AI (GTX 1650) I have a braswell Celeron N3150 with IGPU Intel HD Graphics 400, I not sure is compatible for AI ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dimakv2014 Posted February 10 Share #828 Posted February 10 15 minutes ago, dyter said: I have a braswell Celeron N3150 with IGPU Intel HD Graphics 400, I not sure is compatible for AI ? Nope, you have 3rd Gen and it clearly says minimum is 4gen lets say Celeron N4xxx J4xxx etc. But since you have AVX2/Movbe cpu instruction supported you can have AI on DVA3221 with Nvidia GTX 1650/1660 gpu. But not on igpu with DVA1622 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dimakv2014 Posted February 10 Share #829 Posted February 10 On 2/9/2024 at 1:44 PM, attilioilvecio said: how can I solve it? I ordered the Asrock J4125 mainboard , but I would also like to run on AMD AMD is not supported for AI on DVA1622 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dyter Posted February 10 Share #830 Posted February 10 il y a 47 minutes, dimakv2014 a dit : Nope, you have 3rd Gen and it clearly says minimum is 4gen lets say Celeron N4xxx J4xxx etc. But since you have AVX2/Movbe cpu instruction supported you can have AI on DVA3221 with Nvidia GTX 1650/1660 gpu. But not on igpu with DVA1622 I don't know where you find this number of generation ? N3150 is 8th generation and J4125 9th generation: https://www.cpu-monkey.com/fr/compare_cpu-intel_celeron_n3150-vs-intel_celeron_j4125 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dimakv2014 Posted February 10 Share #831 Posted February 10 4 minutes ago, dyter said: I don't know where you find this number of generation ? N3150 is 8th generation and J4125 9th generation: https://www.cpu-monkey.com/fr/compare_cpu-intel_celeron_n3150-vs-intel_celeron_j4125 Ok let me rephrase it its Celeron 4xxx cpu Series minimum required for AI to work in DVA1622 and Gen 4 minimum for Core Series 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dyter Posted February 10 Share #832 Posted February 10 (edited) il y a une heure, dimakv2014 a dit : Ok let me rephrase it its Celeron 4xxx cpu Series minimum required for AI to work in DVA1622 and Gen 4 minimum for Core Series On https://dgpu-docs.intel.com/devices/hardware-table.html I use the command: lspci -nn |grep -Ei 'VGA|DISPLAY' 0000:00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation Atom/Celeron/Pentium Processor x5-E8000/J3xxx/N3xxx Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:22b1] (rev 21) and I show 22B1 is a Intel® HD Graphics XXX Gen8 Cherryview This card is supported in the i915_pciids.h, so I need to use Patch i915 in arcloader for AI work ? Edited February 10 by dyter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dimakv2014 Posted February 10 Share #833 Posted February 10 9 hours ago, dyter said: On https://dgpu-docs.intel.com/devices/hardware-table.html I use the command: lspci -nn |grep -Ei 'VGA|DISPLAY' 0000:00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation Atom/Celeron/Pentium Processor x5-E8000/J3xxx/N3xxx Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:22b1] (rev 21) and I show 22B1 is a Intel® HD Graphics XXX Gen8 Cherryview This card is supported in the i915_pciids.h, so I need to use Patch i915 in arcloader for AI work ? You can try if it says its supported by this patch but out of box it won't work. I personally haven't tried this patch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
attilioilvecio Posted February 12 Share #834 Posted February 12 On 4/11/2023 at 1:21 PM, merve04 said: Hi, I’m really hoping someone can point me in the right direction. I’m using a fairly dated version of TCRP 0.9 and dva1622 7.1 I really want to upgrade to latest TCRP so I can be up to date on DSM. Here are the steps I’ve taken this far. Download/write latest TCRP to usb drive Booted flash drive and performed these commands. ./rploader.sh update ./rploader.sh fullupgrade ./rploader.sh identifyusb ./rploader.sh serialgen DVA1622 realmac ./rploader.sh build dva1622-7.1.1-42962 withfriend exitcheck.sh reboot when system booted back up, the tcrp friend page came one but no IP detected. when I opened synology assistant, machine was discovered but status was not installed. When I open the IP, I get no drives detected. i shut down the machine, reinserted my previous usb key and rebooted machine, everything is back now. what am I not doing correctly here? any help is much appreciated. very well, I followed this post, the only difference was that I didn't withfriend, and I manually installed the pat file, I deactivated automatic updates. thank tou all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dyter Posted February 13 Share #835 Posted February 13 Le 11/02/2024 à 00:31, dimakv2014 a dit : You can try if it says its supported by this patch but out of box it won't work. I personally haven't tried this patch I migrate my DSM 6.2.3 to 7.2.1 rev 4 with no problem on my Braswell N3150 with the i915 addon. All work but no AI, if exist a solution, I'll take it ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dimakv2014 Posted February 13 Share #836 Posted February 13 (edited) 58 minutes ago, dyter said: I migrate my DSM 6.2.3 to 7.2.1 rev 4 with no problem on my Braswell N3150 with the i915 addon. All work but no AI, if exist a solution, I'll take it ! There is a solution, try N4xxx or J4xxx cpu as I told you before. The reason for AI not working in your case might be because DVA1622 hardcoded with specific igpus Intel UHD and your cpu has HD (without Ultra) all cpus that I have tested AI with had UHD 530 to UHD 630 and it worked fine. Celerons J4105, J4115, J4125, also I believe N4000 has UHD600 series igpu. Core i3 6100 has UHD530 works fine, i7 8700k has UHD 630 AI works fine. Look into this way. Edited February 13 by dimakv2014 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dyter Posted February 14 Share #837 Posted February 14 Il y a 13 heures, dimakv2014 a dit : There is a solution, try N4xxx or J4xxx cpu as I told you before. The reason for AI not working in your case might be because DVA1622 hardcoded with specific igpus Intel UHD and your cpu has HD (without Ultra) all cpus that I have tested AI with had UHD 530 to UHD 630 and it worked fine. Celerons J4105, J4115, J4125, also I believe N4000 has UHD600 series igpu. Core i3 6100 has UHD530 works fine, i7 8700k has UHD 630 AI works fine. Look into this way. Thanks, I think buy a N5000 for his low consupsion and better GPU Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dimakv2014 Posted February 14 Share #838 Posted February 14 (edited) 2 hours ago, dyter said: Thanks, I think buy a N5000 for his low consupsion and better GPU Not bad choice its faster than J4125 on igpu side which means AI will be more reliable, but a little slower on cpu speed side but I doubt that you will notice a difference in perfomance in dva1622. But 6watt vs 10watt is significant difference in terms of cooling. For example J4125 even with SoC just passive cooling is not enough when it comes to AI, while Pentimum N5000 with it's 6watts may get away with passive cooling to make the system completely noiseless. Also remember to use sata SSD and to boost performance a little bit you can use small capacity nvme m.2 ssd for Cache, unfortunately its not possible yet to use nvme as a volume in DVA1622. Edited February 14 by dimakv2014 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
attilioilvecio Posted February 14 Share #839 Posted February 14 (edited) if I try to put the gtx 1050 ti on j4125 does it work for AI? Edited February 14 by attilioilvecio Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dyter Posted February 14 Share #840 Posted February 14 (edited) I found lot of mini baremetal with J6426 or N100 with very low price. But it's gen 11th or 13th ! I waiting for i915 drivers Edited February 14 by dyter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dimakv2014 Posted February 14 Share #841 Posted February 14 (edited) 5 hours ago, attilioilvecio said: if I try to put the gtx 1050 ti on j4125 does it work for AI? On dva1622 it will work even without gtx 1050ti since it doesn't use dedicated gpu instead it uses integrated gpu in Intel's cpu. In order to use gtx 1050ti in AI to get more tasks which is 4 times more than dva1622 by default you should look into DVA3219. Your cpu is fine for both DVA1622 (without GTX 1050ti) and DVA3219 (with GTX 1050Ti) if you want to use AI. Edited February 14 by dimakv2014 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dimakv2014 Posted February 14 Share #842 Posted February 14 5 hours ago, dyter said: I found lot of mini baremetal with J6426 or N100 with very low price. But it's gen 11th or 13th ! I waiting for i915 drivers I dont know abot J6426 noone reported it working on it, but there were discussions on forum about N100, I believe this patch is needed, but you ll have to search it yourself or risk it and test it out. Just in case if you going to buy one of these make sure you can return it back to the seller without any problems in case it won't work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
attilioilvecio Posted February 16 Share #843 Posted February 16 On 2/14/2024 at 6:30 PM, dyter said: I found lot of mini baremetal with J6426 or N100 with very low price. But it's gen 11th or 13th ! I waiting for i915 drivers please where did you find the low prices? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dyter Posted February 16 Share #844 Posted February 16 (edited) I found lot of mini PC on ALIEXPRESS with 13th generation N100, J6426 ... I hesitate with a J5040 (the best of 14nm CPU Geminilake), but I finaly chose this miniPC for better compatibility : I remove everytime the miniPCIe Wifi and replace them with a miniPCIe SATA x2 controller that give to me a total of 4x drives. Edited February 16 by dyter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dimakv2014 Posted February 16 Share #845 Posted February 16 10 minutes ago, dyter said: I found lot of mini PC on ALIEXPRESS with 13th generation N100, J6426 ... I hesitate with a J5040 (the best of 14nm CPU Geminilake), but I finaly chose this miniPC for better compatibility : I remove everytime the miniPCIe Wifi and replace them with a miniPCIe SATA x2 controller that give to me a total of 4x drives. Not really, you will still have 2 drives since DVA1622 doesn't support nvme drives as a Storage, only for Cache. And its not loader problem its Synology DSM. There are however other than DVA models that do support nvme drives for storage but only as secondary drive so DSM cannot be installed on them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dyter Posted February 16 Share #846 Posted February 16 (edited) il y a 22 minutes, dimakv2014 a dit : Not really, you will still have 2 drives since DVA1622 doesn't support nvme drives as a Storage, only for Cache. And its not loader problem its Synology DSM. There are however other than DVA models that do support nvme drives for storage but only as secondary drive so DSM cannot be installed on them. This miniPC has no nvme storage, on motherboard, there was 1 port msata + 1 port SATA + 1 port miniPCIe I use 3x SSD with cache inside Edited February 16 by dyter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dimakv2014 Posted February 16 Share #847 Posted February 16 2 minutes ago, dyter said: This miniPC has no nvme storage, on motherboard, there was 1 port msata + 1 port SATA + 1 port miniPCIe I use 3x SSD with cache inside Nvme = pci-e, minipci-e. So like I said only 2 sata (regular or msata) means 2 drives in DVA1622 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dyter Posted February 16 Share #848 Posted February 16 (edited) il y a 11 minutes, dimakv2014 a dit : Nvme = pci-e, minipci-e. So like I said only 2 sata (regular or msata) means 2 drives in DVA1622 I use actualy a baremetal with minipci x2 SATA and it's work fine ! lspci -nn 0000:03:00.0 SATA controller [0106]: ASMedia Technology Inc. ASM1061/ASM1062 Serial ATA Controller [1b21:0612] (rev 02) Edited February 16 by dyter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dyter Posted February 17 Share #849 Posted February 17 (edited) I found lot of mini PC with J5040 with prices 110-140€: https://fr.aliexpress.com/item/1005006311813456.html but it's M.2 2280 + 1 SATA, and miniPCI is under the M.2 2280, so no ASM1062 support or, only ASM1062 support with no M.2 2280 If you buy this: you can up to 5x SATA with this miniPC with a J5040 power ! Edited February 17 by dyter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dimakv2014 Posted February 17 Share #850 Posted February 17 (edited) 6 hours ago, dyter said: I found lot of mini PC with J5040 with prices 110-140€: https://fr.aliexpress.com/item/1005006311813456.html but it's M.2 2280 + 1 SATA, and miniPCI is under the M.2 2280, so no ASM1062 support or, only ASM1062 support with no M.2 2280 If you buy this: you can up to 5x SATA with this miniPC with a J5040 power ! Thats mSATA adapter on image and not m.2. Moreover if miniPC has m.2 slot it must clearly state whether it supports m.2 sata or only pci-e nvme drives or both. You can't put m.2 sata (M+B Key) ssd into m.2 pci-e slot it will not work... Its basically same thing as trying to put DDR3 memory into DDR4 slot or vise versa Edited February 17 by dimakv2014 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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