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looks like they got tired of waiting for new intel soc's

 

4x1GbE?, just syno's crap, that soc has a 2x10Gb interface support

it's syno family is"v1000" (same as amd's name for the soc class), nothing in 6.2.2 kernel source or tool chain we have from synology

would be nice to see 6.2.3 or 7.0 kernel source, tool chain and toolkit (edit: there is 6.2.2 since 10/2020)

(btw. in september synology added geminilake 6.2.2 source to its gpl source repository, not that we could make much out of this, only useful might be the new i915 driver they added for geminilake but we already have that driver in 918+ with dsm 6.2.3)

 

there is also a new ds1621+ 6.2.3 *.pat file from 9/2020 in synologys repository (includes the u2 updates already) - so its not a "possible" anymore its already in release

will be interesting if they will address hardware transcoding in videostation with that soc (i guess no intel qsv support)

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On 9/24/2020 at 12:47 PM, IG-88 said:

looks like they got tired of waiting for new intel soc's

 

4x1GbE?, just syno's crap, that soc has a 2x10Gb interface support

it's syno family is"v1000" (same as amd's name for the soc class), nothing in 6.2.2 kernel source or tool chain we have from synology

would be nice to see 6.2.3 or 7.0 kernel source, tool chain and toolkit

(btw. in september synology added geminilake 6.2.2 source to its gpl source repository, not that we could make much out of this, only useful might be the new i915 driver they added for geminilake but we already have that driver in 918+ with dsm 6.2.3)

 

there is also a new ds1621+ 6.2.3 *.pat file from 9/2020 in synologys repository (includes the u2 updates already) - so its not a "possible" anymore its already in release

will be interesting if they will address hardware transcoding in videostation with that soc (i guess no intel qsv support)

 

You know what is fucking more annoying? Their list of supported NICs. FFS Synology - you are doing this on fucking purpose - 4 NICs supported. 2 from Synology ($200+) and 1 from Intel ($500 used) and 1 from unknown company.

 

Why would they NOT support Intel X540T2 or X550T2? What the *******.

 

Do you think it's still possible the drivers are baked in for X540T2?

 

I'm in process of buying one to get a bit more stable environment, but this is infuriating.

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8 hours ago, test4321 said:

you are doing this on fucking purpose

yes but there is room left and not everything working is listed

a quick glance in the drivers of the pat file from 6..2.3 shows more 10G nic's then just intel

 

these are the drivers that belong to the list of nic's they support but you can use all alder hardware supported by this driver, the drivers usually have a list of supported pci id's

 

qed/qede
version=8.33.9.0
description=QLogic FastLinQ 4xxxx

 

atlantic
version=2.0.5.0+sh
description=aQuantia Corporation(R) Network Driver

-> imho this should enable pretty much all the cheap aqantia based cards like from asus xg-c 100c

 

ixgbe
version=5.1.3
description=Intel(R) 10GbE PCI Express Linux Network Driver

 

 


this is not listed but present too and i have just scrolled through it and took from memory whats a 10g nic driver, there might be one or two more

 

mlx4_core, mlx5_core
version=4.1-1.0.2
description=Mellanox ConnectX HCA low-level driver

description=Mellanox Connect-IB, ConnectX-4, ConnectX-5 core driver

-> that looks the same as 3617 so i guess connectx-3 will work too (can be checked by pci id's)

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15B3:1002 MT25400 Family [ConnectX-2 Virtual Function]
15B3:1003 MT27500 Family [ConnectX-3]
15B3:1004 MT27500/MT27520 Family [ConnectX-3/ConnectX-3 Pro Virtual Function]
15B3:1005 MT27510 Family
15B3:1006 MT27511 Family
15B3:1007 MT27520 Family [ConnectX-3 Pro]
15B3:1008  
15B3:1009 MT27530 Family
15B3:100A MT27531 Family
15B3:100B MT27540 Family
15B3:100C MT27541 Family
15B3:100D MT27550 Family
15B3:100E MT27551 Family
15B3:100F MT27560 Family
15B3:1010 MT27561 Family
15B3:1011 MT27600 [Connect-IB]
15B3:1012 MT27600 Family [Connect-IB Virtual Function]
15B3:1013 MT27700 Family [ConnectX-4]
15B3:1014 MT27700 Family [ConnectX-4 Virtual Function]
15B3:1015 MT27710 Family [ConnectX-4 Lx]
15B3:1016 MT27710 Family [ConnectX-4 Lx Virtual Function]
15B3:1017 MT27800 Family [ConnectX-5]
15B3:1018 MT27800 Family [ConnectX-5 Virtual Function]
15B3:1019 MT28800 Family [ConnectX-5 Ex]
15B3:101A MT28800 Family [ConnectX-5 Ex Virtual Function]
15B3:101B MT28908 Family [ConnectX-6]
15B3:101C MT28908 Family [ConnectX-6 Virtual Function]
15B3:6340 MT25408A0-FCC-SI ConnectX, Dual Port 10Gb/s InfiniBand / 10GigE Adapter IC with PCIe 2.0 x8 2.5GT/s Interface
15B3:634A MT25408A0-FCC-DI ConnectX, Dual Port 20Gb/s InfiniBand / 10GigE Adapter IC with PCIe 2.0 x8 2.5GT/s Interface
15B3:6354  
15B3:6368 MT25448 [ConnectX EN 10GigE, PCIe 2.0 2.5GT/s]
15B3:6372 MT25458 ConnectX EN 10GBASE-T PCIe 2.5 GT/s
15B3:6732 MT25408A0-FCC-GI ConnectX, Dual Port 20Gb/s InfiniBand / 10GigE Adapter IC with PCIe 2.0 x8 5.0GT/s Interface
15B3:673C MT25408A0-FCC-QI ConnectX, Dual Port 40Gb/s InfiniBand / 10GigE Adapter IC with PCIe 2.0 x8 5.0GT/s Interface
15B3:6746 MT26438 [ConnectX VPI PCIe 2.0 5GT/s - IB QDR / 10GigE Virtualization+]
15B3:6750 MT26448 [ConnectX EN 10GigE, PCIe 2.0 5GT/s]
15B3:675A MT26458 ConnectX EN 10GBASE-T PCIe Gen2 5.0 GT/s
15B3:6764 MT26468 [ConnectX EN 10GigE, PCIe 2.0 5GT/s Virtualization+]
15B3:676E MT26478 [ConnectX EN 40GigE, PCIe 2.0 5GT/s]
15B3:A2D2 MT416842 BlueField integrated ConnectX-5 network controller
15B3:A2D3 MT416842 BlueField multicore SoC family VF

 

bnx2x

version=1.713.36

description=QLogic BCM57710/57711/57711E/57712/57712_MF/57800/57800_MF/57810/57810_MF/57840/57840_MF Driver

 

i40e

version=2.3.6

description=Intel(R) 40-10 Gigabit Ethernet Connection Network Driver

 

 

and beside the drivers in the pat file, as long as its possible to load drivers not signed from synology its possible to compile your own drivers and load them

you would need to copy them to the system and would have to mod the files loading kernel modules (or do a script for loading) but its possible to do that (even if i'm not planning to do that), in contrary to the original 918+ this unit has a pcie slot and also two M.2 slots that beside cache could be used for pcie cards (with adapter M.2 to pcie slot, mainly made for notebooks with a 20-50cdm cable)

 

8 hours ago, test4321 said:

Why would they NOT support Intel X540T2 or X550T2? What the *******.

Do you think it's still possible the drivers are baked in for X540T2?

 

 

it does, when its supporting the newer versions its usually valid for older ones, worst case in some scenarios might be the need to manually copy additional firmware to the system (like its with i915 driver)


Ethernet Controller 10-Gigabit X540-AT2, device 8086:1528
from 1621+ 6.2.3 ixgbe.ko driver: alias=pci:v00008086d00001528

so yes it does support the card

 

so as a summery i'd say its a nicely usable original unit, the 4x1GBit is questionable (as the 4GB RAM default is) but it can be extended and the default driver set isn't to bad so it will not burn a hole in your wallet when adding a 10G nic, especially mellanox and aquantia are cheaper ones

 

 

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4 hours ago, IG-88 said:

yes but there is room left and not everything working is listed

a quick glnce in the drivers of the pat file from 6..2.3 shows more 10G nic's then just intel

 

these are the drivers that belong to the list of nic's they support but you can use all alder hardware supported by this driver, the drivers usually have a list of supported pci id's

 

qed/qede
version=8.33.9.0
description=QLogic FastLinQ 4xxxx

 

atlantic
version=2.0.5.0+sh
description=aQuantia Corporation(R) Network Driver

-> imho this should enable pretty much all the cheap aqantia based cards like from asus xg-c 100c

 

ixgbe
version=5.1.3
description=Intel(R) 10GbE PCI Express Linux Network Driver

 

 


this is not listed but present too and i have just scrolled through it and took from memory whats a 10g nic driver, there might be one or two more

 

mlx4_core, mlx5_core
version=4.1-1.0.2
description=Mellanox ConnectX HCA low-level driver

description=Mellanox Connect-IB, ConnectX-4, ConnectX-5 core driver

-> that looks the same as 3617 so i guess connectx-3 will work too (can be checked by pci id's)

  pci vendor and device id's of then mlx4/mlx5 drivers (Reveal hidden contents)

15B3:1002 MT25400 Family [ConnectX-2 Virtual Function]
15B3:1003 MT27500 Family [ConnectX-3]
15B3:1004 MT27500/MT27520 Family [ConnectX-3/ConnectX-3 Pro Virtual Function]
15B3:1005 MT27510 Family
15B3:1006 MT27511 Family
15B3:1007 MT27520 Family [ConnectX-3 Pro]
15B3:1008  
15B3:1009 MT27530 Family
15B3:100A MT27531 Family
15B3:100B MT27540 Family
15B3:100C MT27541 Family
15B3:100D MT27550 Family
15B3:100E MT27551 Family
15B3:100F MT27560 Family
15B3:1010 MT27561 Family
15B3:1011 MT27600 [Connect-IB]
15B3:1012 MT27600 Family [Connect-IB Virtual Function]
15B3:1013 MT27700 Family [ConnectX-4]
15B3:1014 MT27700 Family [ConnectX-4 Virtual Function]
15B3:1015 MT27710 Family [ConnectX-4 Lx]
15B3:1016 MT27710 Family [ConnectX-4 Lx Virtual Function]
15B3:1017 MT27800 Family [ConnectX-5]
15B3:1018 MT27800 Family [ConnectX-5 Virtual Function]
15B3:1019 MT28800 Family [ConnectX-5 Ex]
15B3:101A MT28800 Family [ConnectX-5 Ex Virtual Function]
15B3:101B MT28908 Family [ConnectX-6]
15B3:101C MT28908 Family [ConnectX-6 Virtual Function]
15B3:6340 MT25408A0-FCC-SI ConnectX, Dual Port 10Gb/s InfiniBand / 10GigE Adapter IC with PCIe 2.0 x8 2.5GT/s Interface
15B3:634A MT25408A0-FCC-DI ConnectX, Dual Port 20Gb/s InfiniBand / 10GigE Adapter IC with PCIe 2.0 x8 2.5GT/s Interface
15B3:6354  
15B3:6368 MT25448 [ConnectX EN 10GigE, PCIe 2.0 2.5GT/s]
15B3:6372 MT25458 ConnectX EN 10GBASE-T PCIe 2.5 GT/s
15B3:6732 MT25408A0-FCC-GI ConnectX, Dual Port 20Gb/s InfiniBand / 10GigE Adapter IC with PCIe 2.0 x8 5.0GT/s Interface
15B3:673C MT25408A0-FCC-QI ConnectX, Dual Port 40Gb/s InfiniBand / 10GigE Adapter IC with PCIe 2.0 x8 5.0GT/s Interface
15B3:6746 MT26438 [ConnectX VPI PCIe 2.0 5GT/s - IB QDR / 10GigE Virtualization+]
15B3:6750 MT26448 [ConnectX EN 10GigE, PCIe 2.0 5GT/s]
15B3:675A MT26458 ConnectX EN 10GBASE-T PCIe Gen2 5.0 GT/s
15B3:6764 MT26468 [ConnectX EN 10GigE, PCIe 2.0 5GT/s Virtualization+]
15B3:676E MT26478 [ConnectX EN 40GigE, PCIe 2.0 5GT/s]
15B3:A2D2 MT416842 BlueField integrated ConnectX-5 network controller
15B3:A2D3 MT416842 BlueField multicore SoC family VF

 

bnx2x

version=1.713.36

description=QLogic BCM57710/57711/57711E/57712/57712_MF/57800/57800_MF/57810/57810_MF/57840/57840_MF Driver

 

i40e

version=2.3.6

description=Intel(R) 40-10 Gigabit Ethernet Connection Network Driver

 

 

and beside the drivers in the pat file, as long as its possible to load drivers not signed from synology its possible to compile your own drivers and load them

you would need to copy them to the system and would have to mod the files loading kernel modules (or do a script for loading) but its possible to do that (even if i'm not planning to do that), in contrary to the original 918+ this unit has a pcie slot and also two M.2 slots that beside cache could be used for pcie cards (with adapter M.2 to pcie slot, mainly made for notebooks with a 20-50cdm cable)

 

 

 

it does, when its supporting the newer versions its usually valid for alder ones, worst case in some scenarios might be the need to manually copy additional firmware to the system (like its with i915 driver)


Ethernet Controller 10-Gigabit X540-AT2, device 8086:1528
from 1621+ 6.2.3 ixgbe.ko driver: alias=pci:v00008086d00001528

so yes it does support the card

 

so as a summery i'd say its a nicely usable original unit, the 4x1GBit is questionable (as the 4GB RAM default is) but it can be extended and the default driver set isn't to bad so it will not burn a hole in your wallet when adding a 10G nic, especially mellanox and aquantia are cheaper ones

 

 

 

Its original price (from manufacturer) is way less that what it's being sold for. I think their plan is to get sales on this unit and make larger profit on it.

 

Thank you for looking into it! I will be purchasing it in a few days.

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On 9/24/2020 at 6:37 AM, tdse13 said:

 

This is what can be done with that hardware:

 

 

Synology squandered such a possibility to have a high power device!

 

2 U.2 devices! 10gbe + 2X 2gbe ports! 3 USB3.2 ports!

 

All of this could have been on 1621+!

 

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not sure how i came to 4 x1G ports for the 1621+ but there seem to be 2x1G and 1x10G port, so its not that bad after all

 

maybe synology will have m.2 nvme usable as normal data volume later with 7.0? qnap does support that (and even more) so they need to move or people will not consider them for a new unit anymore, 2 slots in the unit and 2 more as pcie card might be ok

 

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17 minutes ago, maciekb said:

1x10Gbps and 2x1Gbps is in DS1621xs+, which is based on Intel Xeon CPU. DS1621+, based on AMD CPU has 4x1Gbps.

thanks, looks like i got the wrong product review today and mixed that up, that "xs" unit is way to expansive

 

 

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