meimeiriver Posted August 7, 2016 Share #351 Posted August 7, 2016 Hmm, is there any truth to this?! https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Btrfs-RAID-56-Is-Bad My main reason for wanting DSM 6 is precisely Btrfs. If it's as fundamentally flawed as they say it is, then maybe I need to rethink the whole deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ieatrocks Posted August 7, 2016 Share #352 Posted August 7, 2016 https://btrfs.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/RAID56 I don't think dsm6 uses the built in fs raid that suffers this problem though, does it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flushentity Posted August 7, 2016 Share #353 Posted August 7, 2016 Awesome work! I have finally installed from DSM5.x to 6.x Bare metal. It may have taken me 14 hours, insomnia, screaming kids/wife. A huge thanks to every who posted/helped within this forum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benoire Posted August 8, 2016 Share #354 Posted August 8, 2016 Hmm, is there any truth to this?! https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Btrfs-RAID-56-Is-Bad My main reason for wanting DSM 6 is precisely Btrfs. If it's as fundamentally flawed as they say it is, then maybe I need to rethink the whole deal. As far as I was aware, at present, Synology have built DSM using MDADM with LVM as the Raid / logical volume manager and then uses BTRFS as the file system over the top so it does not use the BTRFS inbuilt raid setup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meimeiriver Posted August 8, 2016 Share #355 Posted August 8, 2016 Hmm, is there any truth to this?! https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Btrfs-RAID-56-Is-Bad My main reason for wanting DSM 6 is precisely Btrfs. If it's as fundamentally flawed as they say it is, then maybe I need to rethink the whole deal. As far as I was aware, at present, Synology have built DSM using MDADM with LVM as the Raid / logical volume manager and then uses BTRFS as the file system over the top so it does not use the BTRFS inbuilt raid setup. Thank you! This is good news. I was getting worried there for a moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benoire Posted August 8, 2016 Share #356 Posted August 8, 2016 Have a look on their forums as there are some threads that talk about it in more detail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtheo Posted August 8, 2016 Share #357 Posted August 8, 2016 Awesome work! I have finally installed from DSM5.x to 6.x Bare metal. It may have taken me 14 hours, insomnia, screaming kids/wife. A huge thanks to every who posted/helped within this forum Hi flushentity, that's great. Can you describe your hardware and you way to get in run.... Best M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtheo Posted August 8, 2016 Share #358 Posted August 8, 2016 Awesome work! I have finally installed from DSM5.x to 6.x Bare metal. It may have taken me 14 hours, insomnia, screaming kids/wife. A huge thanks to every who posted/helped within this forum Hi flushentity, that's great. Can you describe your hardware and you way to get in run.... Best M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ieatrocks Posted August 8, 2016 Share #359 Posted August 8, 2016 Awesome work! I have finally installed from DSM5.x to 6.x Bare metal. It may have taken me 14 hours, insomnia, screaming kids/wife. A huge thanks to every who posted/helped within this forum what information?! the only thing I see are people using here are the vmware images. I have an acer easystore h340 im trying to get 6.0 running on bare metal and pulling my hair out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jleggett81 Posted August 9, 2016 Share #360 Posted August 9, 2016 Let me see if I have this all right. In order to run on bare metal, your nic has to be supported? If you use btrfs, you have to manually mount your drives every time you boot? Am I missing anything from that? Is there any list or way of knowing what is supported? Is the install of 6 just like everything else? I am about to install xpenelogy for the first time. I have been playing with 5.2 in a vm. I like what I read about 6, but is it worth going for now or should I wait? If I wait, will the upgrade later mean I have to wipe everything? Will I be able to move to btrfs? Lot of questions, sorry. Just want to get it right the first time if I can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aigor Posted August 9, 2016 Share #361 Posted August 9, 2016 Let me see if I have this all right. In order to run on bare metal, your nic has to be supported? If you use btrfs, you have to manually mount your drives every time you boot? Am I missing anything from that? Is there any list or way of knowing what is supported? Is the install of 6 just like everything else? I am about to install xpenelogy for the first time. I have been playing with 5.2 in a vm. I like what I read about 6, but is it worth going for now or should I wait? If I wait, will the upgrade later mean I have to wipe everything? Will I be able to move to btrfs? Lot of questions, sorry. Just want to get it right the first time if I can. I think it's better you run last know working version, have you need only v6 feature ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jleggett81 Posted August 9, 2016 Share #362 Posted August 9, 2016 No. But if I can save an upgrade that might come in the short term, than I would like too. But if it is better to just go with the last stable release that is fine with me. It provided pretty much everything I needed. The only thing it didn't was a Plexpy spk. Trying to get that to work in a docker or manual install about sent me over the boat. But that is something for another day. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aigor Posted August 9, 2016 Share #363 Posted August 9, 2016 No. But if I can save an upgrade that might come in the short term, than I would like too. But if it is better to just go with the last stable release that is fine with me. It provided pretty much everything I needed. The only thing it didn't was a Plexpy spk. Trying to get that to work in a docker or manual install about sent me over the boat. But that is something for another day. Thank you. I don't think we will have a short term upgrade, Synology still unpublishing gpls source , without them the team can't write new bootloader Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcuswrk Posted August 9, 2016 Share #364 Posted August 9, 2016 you did a great job!! I'm running fine dsm6 with ss on vmware esxi 6.0u2 with sata disk and e1000e ethernet using ovf template from this topic. Do you know if brtfs on vmware is stable? any feedback about using rdm disks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icest0rm Posted August 9, 2016 Share #365 Posted August 9, 2016 you did a great job!!I'm running fine dsm6 with ss on vmware esxi 6.0u2 with sata disk and e1000e ethernet using ovf template from this topic. Do you know if brtfs on vmware is stable? any feedback about using rdm disks? working on my end. I have created from scratch a volume raid 1 on 2 rdms with btrfs...now it's ok...had some problems at the beginning with errors on volume, but creating it from scratch deleting all data and then reversing inside again made it works good at least till now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grandtiger Posted August 9, 2016 Share #366 Posted August 9, 2016 No. But if I can save an upgrade that might come in the short term, than I would like too. But if it is better to just go with the last stable release that is fine with me. It provided pretty much everything I needed. The only thing it didn't was a Plexpy spk. Trying to get that to work in a docker or manual install about sent me over the boat. But that is something for another day. Thank you. I don't think we will have a short term upgrade, Synology still unpublishing gpls source , without them the team can't write new bootloader Just for my curiosity, I wonder how the current boot loader for bare metal (DSM_DS3615xs_7393_bootX.img) is created without the source code published. Is it based on the beta 2 code published? How reliable is it right now, and anyone use DSM 6 for serious stuff? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flushentity Posted August 9, 2016 Share #367 Posted August 9, 2016 Awesome work! I have finally installed from DSM5.x to 6.x Bare metal. It may have taken me 14 hours, insomnia, screaming kids/wife. A huge thanks to every who posted/helped within this forum Hi flushentity, that's great. Can you describe your hardware and you way to get in run.... Best M. Running this on an old dell insperion dual core, 8gb ram, 2x1gb sata drives, PCI 1gb network card. Followed the posts and downloaded the ISO, flashed this onto 8gb USB stick, booted - installed, rebooted and left the menu on run. Works flawlessly! Fantastic job, time to flash this onto my other Nas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
substorm Posted August 10, 2016 Share #368 Posted August 10, 2016 Awesome work! I have finally installed from DSM5.x to 6.x Bare metal. It may have taken me 14 hours, insomnia, screaming kids/wife. A huge thanks to every who posted/helped within this forum Hi flushentity, that's great. Can you describe your hardware and you way to get in run.... Best M. Running this on an old dell insperion dual core, 8gb ram, 2x1gb sata drives, PCI 1gb network card. Followed the posts and downloaded the ISO, flashed this onto 8gb USB stick, booted - installed, rebooted and left the menu on run. Works flawlessly! Fantastic job, time to flash this onto my other Nas. @Flushentity: Did you get BTRFS working without any manual mounting commands every time you restart? In my case, the baremetal was ok until I restarted. I was able to manually mount but lost test data. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crkrr Posted August 11, 2016 Share #369 Posted August 11, 2016 If I understand correctly there are no "extra" drivers, so you can either only run on Synology supported parts or in a VM. My plan is to run DSM 6 on top of ESXi 6 with a RAID/HBA card passed through instead of rdm. I guess in this case the card might cause issues, as it has to be supported. I never owned a RAID card and have no experience. Or do these cards "abstract" the disks in a sense that they work without drivers? At the moment all my drives are on the motherboard SATA headers, mapped to a Windows Server 2012 VM. But all ports are filled up; I need to but can't expand further. This is what I am trying to replace and move away from Windows at the same time. It's a home setup mostly for backups and media and some tinkering, nothing critical. I'm looking to reduce the administration pain of Windows with DSM as it is more than enough for my needs. I just got a second hand Supermicro case with a SAS2 expander backplane and need to choose a card. I read good things about the IBM m1015 and the Dell H310 both crossflashed to LSI firmware. I’m leaning toward the Dell, since I can source it locally, while the IBM I can only find on ebay from Chinese sellers. Is it a smart idea to buy from one of the sellers from Chine/Hong Kong? I know there are many fake Intel NICs sold on ebay, don't want to run into such a thing with the HBA card. Would one of these work in the above configuration; passed through to the DSM 6 VM? tldr; Would a crossflashed IBM m1015 or a Dell h310 work if I passed it through to a DSM 6 VM on ESXi 6? Thanks for any help! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haydibe Posted August 11, 2016 Share #370 Posted August 11, 2016 tldr; Would a crossflashed IBM m1015 or a Dell h310 work if I passed it through to a DSM 6 VM on ESXi 6? If flashed in LSI IT mode, both cards should work fine. The matching kernel drivers are included for "older" LSI cards I posted a list of the ko files here: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=16114&start=250#p68157. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roxelchen Posted August 12, 2016 Share #371 Posted August 12, 2016 i guess there is still no way to update an existing 5.x installation to 6.x? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icest0rm Posted August 12, 2016 Share #372 Posted August 12, 2016 i guess there is still no way to update an existing 5.x installation to 6.x? if you boot with the iso of 6 it should prompt you to upgrade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roxelchen Posted August 12, 2016 Share #373 Posted August 12, 2016 i guess there is still no way to update an existing 5.x installation to 6.x? if you boot with the iso of 6 it should prompt you to upgrade. and thats working? i thought the current situation is, that synology did not release the code yet and we have to wait for a new bootloader? are my information old? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icest0rm Posted August 12, 2016 Share #374 Posted August 12, 2016 and thats working? i thought the current situation is, that synology did not release the code yet and we have to wait for a new bootloader? are my information old? sorry, dunno why but tought you were referring to ESXi...don't mind what I wrote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h4rm Posted August 12, 2016 Share #375 Posted August 12, 2016 FYI: I have written an email to Synology due to the release of source code of DSM6. I cannot post the original answer here, but the core message is as follows: - DSM 6.0.2 will be available in the coming weeks - DSM 6.0.2 will be the candidate for the DSM GPL source - It is expected to be released around early Q4 this year I think this is pretty good news for you, guys! Let's hope the DEV team will start their work as soon as the source is available. I will be happy to contribute, someone of the DEV team please contact me via PM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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