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Thread for 25554/25556 breakage. Time to make alternate plans? What Next? And More


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I thought I'd post here, not seeing a thread explaining what¬†the deal is with the latest intermediate updates failing and so few people testing them, my curiosity got the best of me, unless i'm just missing something completely, which has been known to happen.¬†ūüėČ

Though not the newest member, I've been on Xpen 2 years maybe? I do have some noob-type questions since noticing the two latest updates failing, and not seeing a lot of discussion of it.

In my short time here I cannot recall new updates like 25554/25556 failing so quickly, and it does concern me. But again, I'm relatively new.

And I'm sure this isnt the first time this has happened, where Jun or others have had to fix loaders 

 

MY HW 2x Identical Baremetal DS918+ Xpen's 1.04b With Gigabyte B360-hd3's I3-8100's both working fantastically on DSM 6.2.3-25426 Update 3 

 

My questions regarding this are:

 

  • Should we be concerned?¬†Long term,¬†with the intermediate updates not working? (assuming we already have backups and have all the functionality we need)¬†
  • Could¬†DSM 6.2.3-25426 Update 3 possibly be the last safe Xpen Version for us using Jun's Loaders?
  • Is Jun still kicking around to come up with a possible solution? Or anyone else?
  • How often in the past have 2 consecutive updates failed right out of the gate like the latest intermediate updates have?
  • Is there any¬†particular reason, such as a major OS change, or Synology wanting to rid us "Open Sourcers" of this beautiful software,¬†that is causing these updates not to work?
  • Have Xpen users been migrating to¬†alternatives to Jun's loader or other solutions noobs may not be aware of? if so what's out there for Baremetal?

 

 

 

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Should we be concerned? Long term, with the intermediate updates not working? (assuming we already have backups and have all the functionality we need) 

Define concern?  Is there anything that can be done with 6.2.4 that cannot be done with 6.2.3?  The assumption has always been is that any update has the possibility of breaking the loader.

 

Could DSM 6.2.3-25426 Update 3 possibly be the last safe Xpen Version for us using Jun's Loaders?

Maybe.

 

Is Jun still kicking around to come up with a possible solution? Or anyone else?

Jun is the only one that can answer that question.  My guess is that if they are at all interested in keeping XPe alive, they will be focusing on DSM 7 and not a minor "last-of-the-line" patch on a DSM version that already works quite well.

 

How often in the past have 2 consecutive updates failed right out of the gate like the latest intermediate updates have?

25554 and 25556 are in fact the same update.  Updates either work, or they don't.

 

Is there any particular reason, such as a major OS change, or Synology wanting to rid us "Open Sourcers" of this beautiful software, that is causing these updates not to work?

I am sure Synology would prefer that we do not use DSM in this way.  They probably consider DSM as entirely their IP even though it is derived from GPL-licensed open source.  They could probably set up a Secure Boot solution that would probably shut DSM to us forever.  But that would also limit backward compatibility with the hundreds of thousands or millions of units they have shipped up until now, and probably interfere with any cloud service/virtualization plans they have in the wings.  So I don't think that this or the other issues that have been worked through in the past to be a result of an "anti-XPe" effort on the part of Synology.

 

Just to be clear, DSM 6.2.3 "broke" the loader.  FixSynoboot corrects the failure without modifying or updating the loader.  We have also had problems with PCI hardware compatibility, and were able to work through solutions.

 

Other than the irrational FOMO, I'm not clear why getting 6.2.4 working is anyone's priority at this point.  Personally, I'm far more interested in DSM 7.

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