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On 2/9/2021 at 10:15 PM, Vaifranz said:

However it only happened once, the other times it happened continuously and repeatedly, the difference is that now I am not using the 24 bay case, but another case where the HDDs are connected individually and not via a backplane as in the 24 bay. Maybe my problem is the backplane.

that looks like connection problems between controller an drive, if it's sata cable i would replace it (there are cheap, so i would not take any risky by only reconnecting on both ends)

on a backplane its more complex more complex but i would at least pull, reinsert the disk (when the system is shutdown, we dont want to "break" a raid on purpose) and i would check about the position and signal way length, also check housing and mounting of the backplane, i have seen misalignments resulting in a unsafe connection, 1st indication is usually if drives are harder to insert the on other positions

 

i different controller can also a way to test (with a different sata chip so it has different signal behavior), but at this point you should not play around with you live system/disks, thats more for testing as it can result in multi disk problems and break even raid6

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This post is getting a little bit old but I thought I might ask here anyway. I am looking currently looking for a sata controller card and the more I read the more I dont trust myself to make an informed decision. Mostly I am getting confused on when manufactures are cutting costs on cards hardware by having less lanes. Can somebody suggest a card JMB585 or ASM1166 I am in Canada. Im struggling with a new build over here. I am just going to head over to hardware recycler and see what i can dig up too 

if you need use case...or just ask me. 

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4 hours ago, dasbooter said:

somebody suggest a card JMB585 or ASM1166 I am in Canada. Im struggling with a new build over here. I am just going to head over to hardware recycler and see what i can dig up too 

i answered your question in the other thread, the linked Vantec UGT-ST655

https://www.vantecusa.com/products_detail.php?p_id=286#tab-2

seems to be a normal jmb585 card

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В 18.10.2022 в 01:50, IG-88 сказал:

seems to be a normal jmb585 card

Hi, I'm get a jmb PCIe Gen3 x1 to 6 sata 

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Sorry, I,m "below zero" in Linux, but Ubuntu Live 20.04 see it as JMicron Device 0585 (prog-if 01 AHCI 1.0
5 drives as controller scsi3, channels 0 - 4 and 1 drive as  controller scsi5, channel 0

Jun's 1.03 (with extensions) DSM 6.2.3 DS3615xs_25426 and ARPL-1.0-beta3 DS3617xs_42962 give 5 slots with 2 connected drives only.

I'm try append SataPortMap=15 and =51 without difference.

Can you help with it configuration step-by-step, or get ideas about DSM version to try?

tested motherboard: Seavo DVR Core2Quad Q9300 DDR3 G41 + ICH7 (4 sata port working on DS3615xs_25426)

this ICH ports shifted 1 > 6 if jmb585 card inserted in working configuration and nonavaliable with clear DSM install.

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12 hours ago, Kanst said:

Hi, I'm get a jmb PCIe Gen3 x1 to 6 sata 

THATS not a "normal jmb585" card

the last number in "jmb585" indicates the number of sata ports (five), also the jmb585 uses two pcie lanes (-> spec sheet @ jmb website)

so if its a pcie 1x card (by its hardware layout for the pcie slot) its either a special for pcie 1x and will suffer in performance (there might be scenarios where one is willing to compromise) or its not jmb585

also your picture makes clear its a jmb582 (1xpcie to two sata ports) and the 2nd chip (connected to one of the jmb582 sata ports)  is a jmb575 and thats a 1 ot 5 multiplexer (just google "jmb575" to find JMB's homepage with the specs) - and multiplexers are not supported in dsm as synology disabled that on purpose to exclusive use in there own external units (ans as we are using syno's original kernel here there is no way around that)

 

bottom line - no way of using it with any recent dsm (hack) as they all use syno's original kernel, for dsm its just a 2 port sata card and if you want to use it that way you just need to try out the two ports of the 6 are working in dsm (boot dsm onbard sata and connect disk(s) to the ports to find out

 

if you go with a "normal" linux/bsb based nas os you could use all ports (with just 1000MB/s bandwidth max for all 6 ports together it will not reach best performance)

maybe try open media vault

 

if want to use dsm the get a card that does not use any sata multiplexer chips, easy rule can be, look for a ahci sata card and if it has more then one chip on the card that its not a card you can use wit dsm - if you want it as simple as it can be

 

 

btw

12 hours ago, Kanst said:

motherboard: Seavo DVR Core2Quad Q9300

i dont think that one supports pcie 3.0 and if its only pcie 2.0 then one pcie lane results in 500 MByte/s for all disks on that card and that will limit performance even more - there is a reason why the old lsi sas cards where so often used (8 lanes with pcie 2.0 and 8 sata ports ...), if using a 4-6 port ahci card that come with not more then 2 pcie lanes (no chips available that use more)  then with pcie 2.0 (and two lanes)  your max on that card is just 1000 MB/s

 

on the other hand with just a 1GBit nic your resulting in ~110 MByte/s usable speed you it might be ok to just limit the speed of the disks by "system design" to just 100-150 MB/s, the situation where you will suffer for sure is when a raid disk is rebuilding, that will take ages and as there is no headroom the nas performance you can use in that (extended) time frame will we "limited"

 

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On 11/19/2022 at 6:16 AM, IG-88 said:

if want to use dsm the get a card that does not use any sata multiplexer chips, easy rule can be, look for a ahci sata card and if it has more then one chip on the card that its not a card you can use wit dsm - if you want it as simple as it can be

 

btw

i dont think that one supports pcie 3.0 and if its only pcie 2.0 then one pcie lane results in 500 MByte/s for all disks on that card and that will limit performance even more - there is a reason why the old lsi sas cards where so often used (8 lanes with pcie 2.0 and 8 sata ports ...), if using a 4-6 port ahci card that come with not more then 2 pcie lanes (no chips available that use more)  then with pcie 2.0 (and two lanes)  your max on that card is just 1000 MB/s

 

on the other hand with just a 1GBit nic your resulting in ~110 MByte/s usable speed you it might be ok to just limit the speed of the disks by "system design" to just 100-150 MB/s, the situation where you will suffer for sure is when a raid disk is rebuilding, that will take ages and as there is no headroom the nas performance you can use in that (extended) time frame will we "limited"

 

 

Fellow bounty hunter IG-88, I am going to buy a PCIe SATA card and could use some clarification. I'm hoping that you (or others) can help.

 

Background: I built my Synology PC out of spare parts. The mother board has 4 SATA ports. I installed a PCIe 3.0 x4 6xSATA adapter card that has the ASM1166 chipset (https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B08DFK4LZ7/ ). I have 10 drives working smoothly. I'd like to add a few more old HDDs to my array.


I have one free PCIe 2.0 x1 slot available on my mother board. 


1) How can I tell if a card has a multiplexer? If two chipsets are listed on the specs, does that automatically mean it has a multiplexer and thus all the SATA ports won't work with DSM? (e.g. Marvell 88SE92xx + JMBxx, or ASM1064+JMB575: https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B094VZJHK3/ or https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B099ZJ8V7W/ )

 

2) Regarding the performance limitation of PCIe2.0 x1, is the only downside to having more ports/hard drives that they will read/write more slowly if more than one drive is being accessed at the same time? Or is it a more catastrophic problem? I'm mainly using it a file server with a few docker containers installed. No video. So I can live with slower read/write speeds. It's unlikely I'll be using multiple file viewing/retrieval apps at the same time.

 

3) If the 8-10 port cards won't work, is a 4 or 6 port card usable in a PCIe2.0 x1 slot?

For example 4port (unsure of chipset) https://www.amazon.ca/dp/product/B08KTFRFZW/ or 6port ASM1166 https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B08L78QHSJ/ 

 

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I has try a few low cost cards. As I understand base chip multiplexed its entire channels via JMBxx.

For example, 20 channel card (SA3120J) ASM1064+JMB575 multiplexed 4 channels via JMB575 chips.

1st -> 1-5, 2nd -> 6-10, 3rd -> 11-15, 4th -> 16 - 20.

Thus in DSM we have only 4 working SATA ports: 1, 6, 11, 16 - same as one ASM1064 4-port card.

 

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On 12/16/2022 at 7:29 PM, BobaFett said:

I have one free PCIe 2.0 x1 slot available on my mother board. 

 

one pcie 2.0 lane ~max. 500MB/ even with 4 disks there will be some performance degration

you dont mention the board but any M.2 nvme slot? they offer a 4x pcie option with usually pcie 3.0 and with M." to PCIe 4x-16x slot any normal controller can be used

https://www.amazon.ca/Extension-Supports-Interface-Compatible-Windows10/dp/B089Q1FKNW/

 

 

On 12/16/2022 at 7:29 PM, BobaFett said:

1) How can I tell if a card has a multiplexer? If two chipsets are listed on the specs, does that automatically mean it has a multiplexer and thus all the SATA ports won't work with DSM? (e.g. Marvell 88SE92xx + JMBxx, or ASM1064+JMB575: https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B094VZJHK3/ or https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B099ZJ8V7W/ )

>6 ahci sata ports, more then  one chip and <100$ (new) - 100% with a multiplexer and only the ports of the "real" sata chips will work, 88se92 xx are 2 or 4 pcie to sata/ahci ports and jmb5xx will be a multiplexer,  most like 4 ports from 88se92xx and one port ist used to jmb575 (1 to 5 multiplexer), so 8 ports will be 3 ports directly from 88se92xx and 5 ports from te multiplexer, and if the multiplexer is not working it will be just the one port of the 5 that can be used in dsm (windows or any !normal" linux will work properly its just synology making it impossible pro prevent people having "unsave"  solutions beside syno's original external units)

 

On 12/16/2022 at 7:29 PM, BobaFett said:

2) Regarding the performance limitation of PCIe2.0 x1, is the only downside to having more ports/hard drives that they will read/write more slowly if more than one drive is being accessed at the same time?

in a raid 5/6 set usually the is more the one drive accessed, in theory you could prevent this by having raid1 sets and split them between the 1x pcie controller and the others, but that would be a terrible waste of disk space and with just a 1GBit nic you network speed m (~110MB/s) will often limit more then the disks

 

On 12/16/2022 at 7:29 PM, BobaFett said:

Or is it a more catastrophic problem?

usually not but when a disk fails and need to be rebuild it might double or triple the time needed for rebuild, higher probability that another disks fails in the time frame of a rebuild

but when having a backup the risk of loosing data will be less (backup is more important then having raid in most cases)

 

On 12/16/2022 at 7:29 PM, BobaFett said:

I'm mainly using it a file server with a few docker containers installed. No video. So I can live with slower read/write speeds. It's unlikely I'll be using multiple file viewing/retrieval apps at the same time.

you might consider a ssd volume for things like docker or vm's (depends on the things that are running, you still can add two ssd's later as raid1 if you see a need and they should be placed on the ports with the best performance, usually sata3 internal ports of the board

 

 

On 12/16/2022 at 7:29 PM, BobaFett said:

3) If the 8-10 port cards won't work, is a 4 or 6 port card usable in a PCIe2.0 x1 slot?

For example 4port (unsure of chipset) https://www.amazon.ca/dp/product/B08KTFRFZW/ or 6port ASM1166 https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B08L78QHSJ/

1st link - as long as you cant see its a one chip card and dont know about the chip(s) its hands off, worst case with a 4 port card is 2 port pcie chip with a multiplier

in this case the name on the card is SA-3004.V2 and there are other offer with that card name an it seem to be ASM1061 (2 port pcie to sata) and ASM1093 (asm1092 is a known 1 to 2 port multiplier so 1093 will be 1 to 3 port multiplier)  - so seems to be a worst case card

same card, with better information's, https://www.amazon.sg/Ziyituod-Controller-Expression-Non-Raid-Devices(ZYT-SA3004)/dp/B07S7D7DDG

 

2nd link, much better choice as its clear what it s and knowing the asm1166 is a pcie 3. 0 will get you double bandwidth if you use a pcie slot later (it is downward compatible, even if the chip is two pcie 3.0 lanes it will work with less like pcie 2.0 and one lane)

having 6 ports is just a option, you dont need to use them all (as long as you have better choices)

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Thanks for all the help I have set up the HP g3 sff 800 with an iocrest jm858 aliexpress description: IOCREST PCIe Gen3 x4 slot to 5 Port SATA III 6Gbp/s Non-Raid Controller Card JMB585 Chipset Support Plug and Play with 3 Cables. link: aliexpress jmb858 . It was half the price of my local equivalent Vantec which also seems sold out and hard to find. I can see the ports are set up different.  Four ports are stacked on the aliexpress one whereas the Vantec has five seperate ports. 

Would this make a difference in performance? I am confused both cards are 4x but only aliexpress tells how many lanes. I googled a bit about trying to understand this but applying it while shopping for cards seems difficult. The aliexpress performance listings seem pretty good lol. Almost need a guide on reading the hardware itself.

I used APRL automated redpill loader to install ds918+ on baremetal with one drive on the mainboard. I then installed the jmb585 card and a single hard drive on the card. It detected the new drive and I built raid 0 to test. So far so good. I would like to have 8 drives total which are wd80ezaz 11tdba0(shucked from enclosures) when I am done. 

The elephant in the room is where are the actual hardware will exist as the sff stands for u know what. I will probably migrate the hp board to a server tower where all the drives will fit. 2 power supplies can live there and I will use this gadget https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005003157010708.html?spm=a2g0o.order_list.order_list_main.5.21ef1802qxcpW7to jump the 800 ocz power supply that will spin the drives. Idk for sure what the final product will be but let the hacking begin

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6 hours ago, NooL said:

@IG-88 Have you had any experience with these? 

 

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005004220424617.html

 

asm1166 in general works (two pcie lanes with up to pcie 3.0 so max. ~2000MB/s for all ports) but it "only" provides 6 sata ports and the card does have two connectors usually used for 4 sata ports each and it has 8 led's for disk activity, so it will be two ports "made up" by sata multiplier chip not mentioned in the description

you would not be able to use 8 ports with dsm, just 6 but it would not hurt and you could still use it late with another os then syno's dsm and use the other two ports too (performance will be lesser on these ports as they are "shared"

 

 

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On 2/17/2023 at 10:54 PM, IG-88 said:

asm1166 in general works

i might add that checking firmware with asm1166 is possible/suggested

https://docs.phil-barker.com/posts/upgrading-ASM1166-firmware-for-unraid/

https://www.silverstonetek.com.tw/downloads/Software/ECS06 firmware for Intel 600series chipset.rar

 

my asm1166 was a older one and i updated it last week - but its still only used for messing around, i still have jmb582/585 in my system i use with xpenology

 

i did see a problem like this with my card (32 ports recognized) https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=259705

i haven't checked yet if that is gone now

 

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5 hours ago, Trabalhador Anonimo said:

 

a card like this need a board that supports bifurcation

https://www.10gtek.com/new-1414

 

 

5 hours ago, Trabalhador Anonimo said:

 

i had a early model without heatsink that never worked stable, even after adding a heatsink but i guess there will be newer ones that do not overheat (i did read somewhere else about people actually using these m.2 pcb's)

these cards also come as a very thin pcb and there is nothing  beneath it then thin air when mounted, if you try to push cable in then you might damage it and even with 5 cables pre connected you might want to look for some king of mechanical support for the cable to lower the stress on the fragile thing

 

if done with some addition mechanical work and handled carefully when assembled it should work

having so many ports close by each other might also limit your options to place (20) disks

in commercial servers there is usually a sas backplane to handle that amount of disks

 

you can also look into the system iteration of backblaze's storage servers for inspiration

https://www.backblaze.com/b2/storage-pod.html

 

in general there are costs for disks, ports and the power consumption (i higher density or warmer climate there might be costs for cooling)

finding the sweet spot might be worth calculating before building it

bigger disks and less ports might pay off as its also lowers power consumption, heat is less  and even the psu size (power) can be lowered so save money

(starting with a lower disk count might also give you options to extend later without a new system)

 

even when you get a 48 disk older commercial system with 1TB disks for cheap you might think twice about its noise and power consumption, having new a 4 x 16TB in a low-power build might even save money in 2-3 years time (not to mention noise, heat and rackspace)

 

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2 hours ago, Trabalhador Anonimo said:

So, this model is also out of consideration: https://apex-storage-design.webflow.io/apexstoragex21

 

🤣

no joke, you would not need bifurcation with this one and you would be "limited" to 11 m.2 slots as the rest in inside of that "sandwitch" but i guess in theory you could have 55 sata ports with it in a 16x slot

but as the card will be expansive by itself i guess, a sas approach might be more realistic (distributing 55 sata cables to drives in a housing sound like problem that can easily go wrong)

 

i'm sure if you look in other forums (unraid, truenas?) or reddit (datahoarder) you will find people who have tried a 4xm.2 bifurcation card with 4 x m.2 jmb585, it's kind of cheap with just $100-150, so i guess someone already did this

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On 2/25/2023 at 5:52 PM, IG-88 said:

i might add that checking firmware with asm1166 is possible/suggested

https://docs.phil-barker.com/posts/upgrading-ASM1166-firmware-for-unraid/

https://www.silverstonetek.com.tw/downloads/Software/ECS06 firmware for Intel 600series chipset.rar

 

my asm1166 was a older one and i updated it last week - but its still only used for messing around, i still have jmb582/585 in my system i use with xpenology

 

i did see a problem like this with my card (32 ports recognized) https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=259705

i haven't checked yet if that is gone now

 

 

even after the firmware update my asm1166 still reports 32 sata ports, even with kernel 5.10

 

Mar 21 22:52:51 test3 kernel: ahci 0000:04:00.0: SSS flag set, parallel bus scan disabled
Mar 21 22:52:51 test3 kernel: ahci 0000:04:00.0: AHCI 0001.0301 32 slots 32 ports 6 Gbps 0xffffff3f impl SATA mode
Mar 21 22:52:51 test3 kernel: ahci 0000:04:00.0: flags: 64bit ncq sntf stag pm led only pio sxs deso sadm sds apst
...
Mar 21 22:52:51 test3 kernel: ata12 : SATA max UDMA/133 abar m8192@0xf7280000 port 0xf7280100 irq 133
Mar 21 22:52:51 test3 kernel: ata13 : SATA max UDMA/133 abar m8192@0xf7280000 port 0xf7280180 irq 133
Mar 21 22:52:51 test3 kernel: ata14 : SATA max UDMA/133 abar m8192@0xf7280000 port 0xf7280200 irq 133
Mar 21 22:52:51 test3 kernel: ata15 : SATA max UDMA/133 abar m8192@0xf7280000 port 0xf7280280 irq 133
Mar 21 22:52:51 test3 kernel: ata16 : SATA max UDMA/133 abar m8192@0xf7280000 port 0xf7280300 irq 133
Mar 21 22:52:51 test3 kernel: ata17 : SATA max UDMA/133 abar m8192@0xf7280000 port 0xf7280380 irq 133
Mar 21 22:52:51 test3 kernel: ata18 : DUMMY
Mar 21 22:52:51 test3 kernel: ata19 : DUMMY
Mar 21 22:52:51 test3 kernel: ata20 : SATA max UDMA/133 abar m8192@0xf7280000 port 0xf7280500 irq 133
Mar 21 22:52:51 test3 kernel: ata21 : SATA max UDMA/133 abar m8192@0xf7280000 port 0xf7280580 irq 133
Mar 21 22:52:51 test3 kernel: ata22 : SATA max UDMA/133 abar m8192@0xf7280000 port 0xf7280600 irq 133
Mar 21 22:52:51 test3 kernel: ata23 : SATA max UDMA/133 abar m8192@0xf7280000 port 0xf7280680 irq 133
Mar 21 22:52:51 test3 kernel: ata24 : SATA max UDMA/133 abar m8192@0xf7280000 port 0xf7280700 irq 133
Mar 21 22:52:51 test3 kernel: ata25 : SATA max UDMA/133 abar m8192@0xf7280000 port 0xf7280780 irq 133
Mar 21 22:52:51 test3 kernel: ata26 : SATA max UDMA/133 abar m8192@0xf7280000 port 0xf7280800 irq 133
Mar 21 22:52:51 test3 kernel: ata27 : SATA max UDMA/133 abar m8192@0xf7280000 port 0xf7280880 irq 133
Mar 21 22:52:51 test3 kernel: ata28 : SATA max UDMA/133 abar m8192@0xf7280000 port 0xf7280900 irq 133
Mar 21 22:52:51 test3 kernel: ata29 : SATA max UDMA/133 abar m8192@0xf7280000 port 0xf7280980 irq 133
Mar 21 22:52:51 test3 kernel: ata30 : SATA max UDMA/133 abar m8192@0xf7280000 port 0xf7280a00 irq 133
Mar 21 22:52:51 test3 kernel: ata31 : SATA max UDMA/133 abar m8192@0xf7280000 port 0xf7280a80 irq 133
Mar 21 22:52:51 test3 kernel: ata32 : SATA max UDMA/133 abar m8192@0xf7280000 port 0xf7280b00 irq 133
Mar 21 22:52:51 test3 kernel: ata33 : SATA max UDMA/133 abar m8192@0xf7280000 port 0xf7280b80 irq 133
Mar 21 22:52:51 test3 kernel: ata34 : SATA max UDMA/133 abar m8192@0xf7280000 port 0xf7280c00 irq 133
Mar 21 22:52:51 test3 kernel: ata35 : SATA max UDMA/133 abar m8192@0xf7280000 port 0xf7280c80 irq 133
Mar 21 22:52:51 test3 kernel: ata36 : SATA max UDMA/133 abar m8192@0xf7280000 port 0xf7280d00 irq 133
Mar 21 22:52:51 test3 kernel: ata37 : SATA max UDMA/133 abar m8192@0xf7280000 port 0xf7280d80 irq 133
Mar 21 22:52:51 test3 kernel: ata38 : SATA max UDMA/133 abar m8192@0xf7280000 port 0xf7280e00 irq 133
Mar 21 22:52:51 test3 kernel: ata39 : SATA max UDMA/133 abar m8192@0xf7280000 port 0xf7280e80 irq 133
Mar 21 22:52:51 test3 kernel: ata40 : SATA max UDMA/133 abar m8192@0xf7280000 port 0xf7280f00 irq 133
Mar 21 22:52:51 test3 kernel: ata41 : SATA max UDMA/133 abar m8192@0xf7280000 port 0xf7280f80 irq 133
Mar 21 22:52:51 test3 kernel: ata42 : SATA max UDMA/133 abar m8192@0xf7280000 port 0xf7281000 irq 133
Mar 21 22:52:51 test3 kernel: ata43 : SATA max UDMA/133 abar m8192@0xf7280000 port 0xf7281080 irq 133
Mar 21 22:52:51 test3 kernel: ata19 : port disabled
Mar 21 22:52:51 test3 kernel: ata18 : port disabled

 

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some news for M.2 nvme

sliverstone has a new M.2 5-port card "ECS07", as its 5 port it will most likely be jmb585 (costs around $65)

as seen in the picture it addresses the mechanical problems with a steel casing (looks like some sheet metal taken from a nvme cooling solution, that might also be a good DIY way to handle it and a easier to place cooling can be seen as a bonus)

https://www.silverstonetek.com/en/product/info/expansion-cards/ECS07/

 

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there are also ASM1166 M.2 based cards around, all mechanical problems will be the same and in addition there can be the 32port problems mentioned above

https://nascompares.com/2023/03/24/cwwk-aio-t6-6-bay-nas-review-bang-for-buck/

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3 hours ago, asaf said:

an XPEnology user here reports that this PCIe to SATA adapter with Asmedia1062 chip shows all 4 HDDs that are attached to it in DSM 

any link you can provide about that?

the card you point to at amazon mentions a asm1062 (pcie gen2 up to 2 lanes and 2 sata ports) it does not mention any other chip but the markings on the card are "SA3034A" and when searching for that i also find information's that this card uses a ASM1064 chip and that's a 4 port sata chip

https://www.asmedia.com.tw/product/A58yQC9Sp5qg6TrF/58dYQ8bxZ4UR9wG5

 

from that information it does not look like dsm would support sata multiplier ootb, just some unreliable information about the hardware used

 

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9 hours ago, IG-88 said:

any link you can provide about that?

the card you point to at amazon mentions a asm1062 (pcie gen2 up to 2 lanes and 2 sata ports) it does not mention any other chip but the markings on the card are "SA3034A" and when searching for that i also find information's that this card uses a ASM1064 chip and that's a 4 port sata chip

https://www.asmedia.com.tw/product/A58yQC9Sp5qg6TrF/58dYQ8bxZ4UR9wG5

 

from that information it does not look like dsm would support sata multiplier ootb, just some unreliable information about the hardware used

 

 

Well, if @RedwinX likes to share what's imprinted on his adapter and some impressions of how it's working it will be very valuable to this conversation.

There are a lot of us that are seeking to expand mobo SATA ports with an expansion cards that are compatible with DSM.

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I have actually purchased and am using the product below that uses ASM 1166.
In WINDOWS, all 6 ports may be available, but in XPE, only 5 ports can be used.

 

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005004837050269.html

 

 

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I don't know what the situation is with Silverstone's 5-port ECS07, but I think 5-port is probably possible.

Unfortunately, ECS07 also does not share the motherboard compatibility list. Amazon indicates that only WINDOWS is compatible with the OS.

 

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2 hours ago, Peter Suh said:

don't know what the situation is with Silverstone's 5-port ECS07, but I think 5-port is probably possible.

according to the product sheet its jmb585, so all 5 ports will be working in dsm

the metal housing looked nice (more stable) but pricing was not in my scope and i also have m.2 pcie 4x/16x slot adapters to add normal pcie cards

https://www.silverstonetek.com/upload/sstedm/ECS07/ECS07-Product_Sheet-EN.pdf

 

 

2 hours ago, Peter Suh said:

I have actually purchased and am using the product below that uses ASM 1166.
In WINDOWS, all 6 ports may be available, but in XPE, only 5 ports can be used.

 

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005004837050269.html

looks like they kind of added some mitigation to the "thin board" problem, hopefully its more then just a rubber pad

how did you deal with the mechanical forces coming from the 6 sata cables? (might be less of a problem if the board is stiffer or the cables more flexible)

the 5 port problem might be some weird xpe thing with the number of ports, so it might depend on dsm type used and sata ports already in the system, best way to test that would be to disable all onboard sata (the whole chip not just single ports of it) and check the log in xpe about the numbering of the ports

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21 minutes ago, IG-88 said:

according to the product sheet its jmb585, so all 5 ports will be working in dsm

the metal housing looked nice (more stable) but pricing was not in my scope and i also have m.2 pcie 4x/16x slot adapters to add normal pcie cards

https://www.silverstonetek.com/upload/sstedm/ECS07/ECS07-Product_Sheet-EN.pdf

 

 

looks like they kind of added some mitigation to the "thin board" problem, hopefully its more then just a rubber pad

how did you deal with the mechanical forces coming from the 6 sata cables? (might be less of a problem if the board is stiffer or the cables more flexible)

the 5 port problem might be some weird xpe thing with the number of ports, so it might depend on dsm type used and sata ports already in the system, best way to test that would be to disable all onboard sata (the whole chip not just single ports of it) and check the log in xpe about the numbering of the ports

 

I also have an asus m.2 pcie x16 slot adapter, Hyper M.2 V2, which I am still using as a toy and only for testing purposes. I have not tried installing multiple M.2 NVMe to Sata.

 

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https://www.asus.com/motherboards-components/motherboards/accessories/hyper-m-2-x16-card-v2/

 

I already have two ASM 1166 M.2 NVMe to Sata products, so I will test them when I get the chance. It is expected that 10 disks can be installed.

There seems to be merit if the price of Silverstone ECS07 goes down a little more.

 

And I bought one more auxiliary part from AliExpress to avoid interference when installing the SATA cable.

This is a cable called R44SF that extends the M.2 slot to another location.
I purchased the 15cm product and am using it on both the 1st main and 2nd backup NAS in my profile without any interference.

 

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https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005004320377834.html

 

 

As you advised, I will disable the onboard SATA and do another test to see if all 6 ports are recognized.

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5 hours ago, asaf said:

 

Well, if @RedwinX likes to share what's imprinted on his adapter and some impressions of how it's working it will be very valuable to this conversation.

There are a lot of us that are seeking to expand mobo SATA ports with an expansion cards that are compatible with DSM.

Hello,

 

In my side, I used a loader from Jimmmmm with SA6400, DSM 7.2. I used the card provide with the amazon link, and I have 4 HDD plugged in and detected into DSM. 

Would you like I provide some result of command? (lspci or anything)?

In addtion, Jimmmmm provide me a package of driver dedicated for my motherboard, after sending him a dmidecode report. Maybe he provide me a specific driver for this card?

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