IG-88 664 Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 there seems to be a new ASMedia SATA chip comparable to the JMB585 (pcie 3.0 2x, 5 port sata) ASMedia ASM1166, with pcie 3.0 2x support and 6 stata ports, seems to be a alternative to the jmb585 and the one additional port could come in handy when using a 6 x sata onboard solution and wanting to have 12 sata ports and only using one pcie 4x slot, there are also versions as pcie 1x - best option for a pcie 1x slot atm as it can utilize the pcie 3.0 and get up to 1000 MB/s with the one pcie lane (have'nt seen a jmb585 as pcie 1x card), better then any marvell 88se9215 (sadly no real use for apollolake/geminilake systems as they only support pcie 2.0 but the new elkhart lake J6413 scheduled for q1/2021 will have pcie 3.0 support and will have two more pcie lanes) pcie 4x cards (only 2 lanes are used), i ordered one of these https://www.amazon.com/BEYIMEI-Controller-Expansion-Non-Raid-Standard/dp/B08DFK4LZ7 https://www.amazon.com/MZHOU-Controller-Converter-%EF%BC%88Support-Devices%EF%BC%89 pcie 1x cards https://www.amazon.de/ASM1166-GEN3-Erweiterungskarte-langlebige-Play-Erweiterungskarte-PCI-E4X8X16X-Schnittstelle/dp/B08KT9FJZC https://www.amazon.de/awstroe-GEN3-Erweiterungskarte-Erweiterungskarte-Temperaturwiderstand-PCI-E4X8X16X-Schnittstelle-Default/dp/B08KTCQ6VD https://www.amazon.de/Erweiterungskarte-ASMedia-Festplatte-Schnittstelle-Durable/dp/B08L6JLZ2V as i still wanted to use my M.2 slot for sata ports or 10G nic i was looking for mechanical meaningful solutions (the M.2 card i bought with a pcie 4x slot on it was not really usable as it had to much mechanical problems) there are riser adapter for M.2 to a normal pcie slot (that can be bolted or glued some where and things like cpu cooler or pcie slots will be no hindrance) using a M.2 slot as normal PCIe 3.0 4x Slot with as riser (i ordered the adt-link adapter) https://www.amazon.com/ADT-LINK-Extension-Express-Extender-R42SF/dp/B08DRDT47K https://www.amazon.com/NGFF-Extension-Cable-90%C2%B0Right-Angle/dp/B08B3KGNHC https://www.amazon.com/Timack-NGFF-NVMe-Extension-Cable/dp/B08BXNGKGH same as above but with a 16x pcie slot (imho not needed as the adapters from above have a open back pcie 4x slot so a 8x/16x card will fit in) https://www.amazon.com/pcie-NGFF-NVMe-Extension-Cable/dp/B08B3PRJGG https://www.amazon.com/Extension-Cable-Extender-Cablem-2-Extension/dp/B08B3HRG7L 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
flyride 454 Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 https://www.ebay.com/itm/6G-pcie-sata-3-ASM1166-chip-pci-express-sata-3-0-expansion-6-Port-X4-X8-X16-fast-/224081366566 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
IG-88 664 Posted October 18, 2020 Author Share Posted October 18, 2020 (edited) there are lots of offers, also on aliexpress atm there seems not much to find about that chipset, asmedia has nothing to say about it on its website and there are no real performance tests out there just a unpacking and description https://www.skooterblog.com/en/2020/07/30/review-placa-pci-express-3-0-x4-zydas-com-6-portas-sata-6gbps-e-controladora-asmedia-asm1166-aliexpress/ more interesting is that asmedia is usually used as cheap pcie bridge chip in 2 x 4 port ahci controllers and if they have pcie 3.0 as standard now i also think there might be a pcie 3.0 version of the existing pcie 2.0, that only has 2 lanes but with pcie 3.0 it will have ~2000MB/s (irl more like ~1800MB/s) and that would be ok'ish for 8-10 conventional hdd's we already have seen a 2 x jmb585 controller with 10 ports but with the old pcie 2.0 bridge chip (asm1806) its no use when limited to 1000MB/s but with a better pcie bridge and cards using 2 x jmb585 or 2 x asm1166 (both capable of pcie 3.0) we might have usable and affordable cards as alternative to the lsi sas cards the successor of the asm1806 seems to be the asm2806 https://www.asmedia.com.tw/eng/e_show_products.php?cate_index=170&item=194 so maybe we will see pcie 10-12 port controllers with pcie 3.0 support soon having a asm2806 or maybe asm2812, at least thats something to keep looking for Edited October 18, 2020 by IG-88 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
IG-88 664 Posted November 6, 2020 Author Share Posted November 6, 2020 got a asm1166 based card and its not as flawless as i hoped it would turn out booting take longer then its normal and there are strange messages about disks ports that should not be there 1-6 is onboard and 7-12 should be the asm1166 but it counts 32 additional ports instead of 6 the disks are shown ad the expected positions but when adding a 4 port controller (in theory 16 ports over all) these ports get ata39-42 i had 4 disks initially on ports 1,7,8,12 (7,8,12 are boild as a volume), changed disk 8 to the 4 port controller and that disk ended on position 17(?) in the gui and shows "drive41"when hovering the mouse over it, the storage pool and volume work - disk 1 vanished(???) i also added a 8 port ahci controller with two marvell 4port with a pcie bridge instead of the 6 port asm1166 and with that (and the 4 port controller) all disks show up at the expected places and have normal number (like disk15 on position 15 in the gui) looks all very strange and does not invite for using the asm1166 for more then testing, i would not trust it atm, i did not check the logs yet the jmb585 controller i bought had no problems like this, they worked as expected (at least the pcie cards) system is a hp deskpro with skylake cpu, so its not that old but i would not rule out soem special poblems with the hpe bios, they tend to do there own things in same places sometimes (like needing mbr loader for csm mode) [ 4.853747] ata1: Disk is not present for SATA link down event [ 4.859607] ata2: send port disabled event [ 4.863709] ata2: No present pin info for send port disabled event [ 4.869906] ata3: send port disabled event [ 4.874008] ata3: No present pin info for send port disabled event [ 4.880204] ata4: send port disabled event [ 4.884306] ata4: No present pin info for send port disabled event [ 4.890496] ata5: send port disabled event [ 4.894601] ata5: No present pin info for send port disabled event [ 6.380718] ata9: No present pin info for SATA link down event [ 6.690723] ata10: No present pin info for SATA link down event [ 7.001713] ata11: No present pin info for SATA link down event [ 7.317163] ata13: send port disabled event [ 7.321360] ata13: No present pin info for send port disabled event [ 7.337694] ata14: send port disabled event [ 7.341889] ata14: No present pin info for send port disabled event [ 7.663706] ata15: No present pin info for SATA link down event [ 7.974693] ata16: No present pin info for SATA link down event [ 8.285685] ata17: No present pin info for SATA link down event [ 8.596679] ata18: No present pin info for SATA link down event [ 8.907672] ata19: No present pin info for SATA link down event [ 9.218666] ata20: No present pin info for SATA link down event [ 9.529659] ata21: No present pin info for SATA link down event [ 9.840653] ata22: No present pin info for SATA link down event [ 10.151646] ata23: No present pin info for SATA link down event [ 10.462639] ata24: No present pin info for SATA link down event [ 10.773635] ata25: No present pin info for SATA link down event [ 11.084626] ata26: No present pin info for SATA link down event [ 11.395619] ata27: No present pin info for SATA link down event [ 11.706613] ata28: No present pin info for SATA link down event [ 12.017606] ata29: No present pin info for SATA link down event [ 12.328599] ata30: No present pin info for SATA link down event [ 12.639592] ata31: No present pin info for SATA link down event [ 12.950586] ata32: No present pin info for SATA link down event [ 13.261579] ata33: No present pin info for SATA link down event [ 13.572572] ata34: No present pin info for SATA link down event [ 13.883566] ata35: No present pin info for SATA link down event [ 14.194559] ata36: No present pin info for SATA link down event [ 14.505552] ata37: No present pin info for SATA link down event [ 14.816546] ata38: No present pin info for SATA link down event Quote Link to post Share on other sites
yonn 0 Posted Thursday at 09:19 AM Share Posted Thursday at 09:19 AM Please, any PCIe board not too expensive to expand Sata Ports compatible with esxi 6.7 (minimal 4 sata ports)? Thanks in advance Quote Link to post Share on other sites
smilenkovski 2 Posted Thursday at 02:13 PM Share Posted Thursday at 02:13 PM I'm using this one: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32352030105.html?spm=a2g0s.9042311.0.0.65e94c4d09QBej without problems. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
IG-88 664 Posted Friday at 12:39 AM Author Share Posted Friday at 12:39 AM 10 hours ago, smilenkovski said: without problems. beside 4 disks sharing 500MB/s (pcie 2. 0, one lane, marvell 88se9215) 15 hours ago, yonn said: with esxi 6.7 (minimal 4 sata ports)? doesn't esxi support ahci in general, the controllers i mentioned above are ahci Quote Link to post Share on other sites
flyride 454 Posted Friday at 03:48 AM Share Posted Friday at 03:48 AM 3 hours ago, IG-88 said: doesn't esxi support ahci in general, the controllers i mentioned above are ahci Of course. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mervincm 12 Posted Friday at 06:34 AM Share Posted Friday at 06:34 AM jmb585 worked without issue in ESXi 6.7u3? and 7.0u1 in my limited testing Quote Link to post Share on other sites
smilenkovski 2 Posted Friday at 06:49 AM Share Posted Friday at 06:49 AM "beside 4 disks sharing 500MB/s (pcie 2. 0, one lane, marvell 88se9215)" Enough to saturate 1GB LAN. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
IG-88 664 Posted Friday at 05:08 PM Author Share Posted Friday at 05:08 PM 10 hours ago, smilenkovski said: Enough to saturate 1GB LAN. the 500B/s will also limit the rebuild speed when a disk failed (will be interesting for 6TB disks and bigger) i would not go with a pcie 2.0 card anymore when i can get a pcie 3.0 capable card Quote Link to post Share on other sites
IG-88 664 Posted Saturday at 10:56 AM Author Share Posted Saturday at 10:56 AM found a different hardware of a asm1166 card, Silverstone ECS06 https://www.silverstonetek.com/product.php?pid=973&area=en (not as cheap as the others, ~55€) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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