billat29 Posted November 3, 2020 Share #26 Posted November 3, 2020 (edited) Classic symptom. You have successfully run the upgrade, so don't do it again. However you need to do ssh in and delete the /.xpenoboot directory. You need to move quickly after booting before all the services stop. Edited November 3, 2020 by billat29 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hansel Posted November 3, 2020 Author Share #27 Posted November 3, 2020 @billat29 Really! I did check if that hidden directory existed. I have used unix systems in the past for my work. My number one listing command at the time was "ls -ltrh", don't ask me why. I thought the 'h' was for "hidden"! 😄😴 Thank you! After remove/reboot I have got a working HP N40L Microserver with up to date DSM. Nice! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billat29 Posted November 3, 2020 Share #28 Posted November 3, 2020 (edited) Hurray! You can safely accept the upgrade to 6.2.3 update 2 and then you are done!!!! Edited November 3, 2020 by billat29 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IG-88 Posted November 3, 2020 Share #29 Posted November 3, 2020 9 hours ago, hansel said: Weird things happen. and that's usually a point where you might consult log files to see whats going on remember the "underlying" comment above about crashing web services on 2nd thought the directory in question is ./xpenoboot, i always forget that and sadly its not part of the 5.x to 6.x tutorial reinstall might be a good option, it should set up up with default configuration, but maybe 1st try to ssh into the system now and check for that ./x... directory you can read about it here (there are a lot of threads with that) https://xpenology.com/forum/topic/26723-network-down-after-dsm-login/?do=findComment&comment=137953 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eclairs48@gmail.com Posted November 3, 2020 Share #30 Posted November 3, 2020 (edited) 11 hours ago, hansel said: @billat29 Really! I did check if that hidden directory existed. I have used unix systems in the past for my work. My number one listing command at the time was "ls -ltrh", don't ask me why. I thought the 'h' was for "hidden"! 😄😴 Thank you! After remove/reboot I have got a working HP N40L Microserver with up to date DSM. Nice! Have you been able to upload any new data after the upgrade? I think I am in the same boat like you, so just checking. Thank you. Edited November 3, 2020 by eclairs48@gmail.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billat29 Posted November 4, 2020 Share #31 Posted November 4, 2020 I made the same mistake (wrong command parameters) not deleting /.xpenoboot when I did my upgrade to 6.2.3 I confessed my error in the upgrade thread. @hansel made a very good description of what happens when you fail to do so. If you are getting those symptoms, then you have this problem. In my case I ssh'd in and just ran the rm command and rebooted. My system is perfectly functional now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hansel Posted November 4, 2020 Author Share #32 Posted November 4, 2020 @eclairs48@gmail.com No, I didn't. I shut down the system after it was running all day. (I let it run its data scrubbing since that hasn't been running for a long time). I'm not at home for a few days. I'll test next week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hansel Posted November 6, 2020 Author Share #33 Posted November 6, 2020 On 11/4/2020 at 12:07 AM, eclairs48@gmail.com said: Have you been able to upload any new data after the upgrade? I think I am in the same boat like you, so just checking. Thank you. I have uploaded a whole bunch of photographs from my Android smartphone without a problem. Have you been successful uploading data in the meantime? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eclairs48@gmail.com Posted November 7, 2020 Share #34 Posted November 7, 2020 On 11/6/2020 at 11:02 AM, hansel said: I have uploaded a whole bunch of photographs from my Android smartphone without a problem. Have you been successful uploading data in the meantime? Hi @hansel, yes, I am able to upload data after removing .xpenoboot folder.... Thanks for checking this for me.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hansel Posted November 11, 2020 Author Share #35 Posted November 11, 2020 Besides the 3 harddisk drives, my setup also has a SSD drive. It is attached to the motherboard's SATA socket, not part of the 4 bays. Since the update this drive is not seen by the DSM system. In the BIOS I have disabled the C1/C1E option. This shouldn't affect the onboard SATA, right? I have yet to attach a display to have a look at the pre-boot to see if the BIOS does recognise the drive. The drive itself is ok, I had it attached to a SATA cradle on my laptop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bearcat Posted November 11, 2020 Share #36 Posted November 11, 2020 6 hours ago, hansel said: this drive is not seen by the DSM If you use the original HP BIOS, this port is defined as IDE (ODD usage), and DSM do not support it. To use this (and the eSata) port, you need to use a hacked BIOS, enabling AHCI on all 6 ports, letting DSM use all of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hansel Posted November 11, 2020 Author Share #37 Posted November 11, 2020 (edited) Hacked BIOS is installed for years. SSD always worked in DSM. Since update it's gone. See attached for the setting. I didn't touch this. Edited November 11, 2020 by hansel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bearcat Posted November 11, 2020 Share #38 Posted November 11, 2020 Are your pic's showing the SSD you have problems with? As I said, it is running in IDE mode, your DSM will only support AHCI drives. Not sure what BIOS you are running, but in the one I use (TheBay), to enable AHCI on all ports, you need to go to Southbridge Config, SATA 4/5 and disable sata 4/5 IDE mode. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hansel Posted November 12, 2020 Author Share #39 Posted November 12, 2020 @bearcat I don't see that setting in my BIOS. My hacked 041 BIOS had date 1/10/2013. I just updated the BIOS with the 041 2013 hacked BIOS as per https://www.nathanielperez.us/blog/hp-proliant-n40l-bios-modification-guide but that didn't change a thing. No SATA 4/5 setting. How come? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bearcat Posted November 12, 2020 Share #40 Posted November 12, 2020 In the BIOS I use, (TheBay) it is a subsection of the "Chipset" menu. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hansel Posted November 12, 2020 Author Share #41 Posted November 12, 2020 Downloaded the TheBay BIOS and downgraded (from 2013 back to 2011) the BIOS. Now I see the SATA 4/5 IDE disable/enable option in Chipset category. Lost a whole bunch of other settings though! Disabled the SATA IDE option and booted into DSM 6.2.3 Update 2 with all drive attached; 3 HDD + 1 SSD with SSD attached to motherboard SATA. SSD recognized and needed quick repair. Fixed! Thank you. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bearcat Posted November 12, 2020 Share #42 Posted November 12, 2020 Not sure what other options you "lost", and if they really matters. But as long as it works now, you should be "home safe" 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richv31 Posted November 12, 2020 Share #43 Posted November 12, 2020 also, note that HDD hibernation is broken in 6.2.3/1.03b in case you try to use it.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IG-88 Posted November 13, 2020 Share #44 Posted November 13, 2020 (edited) 11 hours ago, hansel said: Disabled the SATA IDE option and booted into DSM 6.2.3 Update 2 with all drive attached; 3 HDD + 1 SSD with SSD attached to motherboard SATA. SSD recognized and needed quick repair. Fixed! Thank you. imho your old dsm did run on ide mode (sata_....ko driver) and with 6.2 you loose this and need to use ahci or the ports are not recognized i guess you did not read the part about pata/sata driver not working anymore with 6.1./6.2 https://xpenology.com/forum/topic/9508-driver-extension-jun-102bdsm61x-for-3615xs-3617xs-916/ !!!all sata_* and pata_* drivers are still not working because of the kernel source changes Synology did (same as in kernel 3.10.102 used and modded by Synology), as long as no one writes a patch for this I can use to fix this, it will stay this way !!! aslo here mentioned for 6.2.2https://xpenology.com/forum/topic/21663-driver-extension-jun-103b104b-for-dsm622-for-3615xs-3617xs-918/ Basically what is on the old page is valid, so no sata_*, pata_* drivers looks like i did not explicitly mentioned it in the 6.2.3 thread, just suggested to look in the older ones for more information 2 hours ago, richv31 said: also, note that HDD hibernation is broken in 6.2.3/1.03b in case you try to use it.... not really (its not a driver problem or anything deeper), its just some log activity preventing it and if you get rid of that it will work again, done like here: https://xpenology.com/forum/topic/32861-hdd-fail-to-hibernate-after-upgrade-from-622-to-623/?do=getNewComment Edited November 13, 2020 by IG-88 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hansel Posted November 13, 2020 Author Share #45 Posted November 13, 2020 @IG-88I guess i'm not a up-to-date technical person (anymore). What's the drawback of using AHCI compared to SATA? Is there any? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IG-88 Posted November 13, 2020 Share #46 Posted November 13, 2020 30 minutes ago, hansel said: What's the drawback of using AHCI compared to SATA? Is there any? sata might be more often used for the connector, the mode it operates can be old ide one and the newer ahci now days you usually only see ahci, the old ide mode was just on older systems and for compatibility to older os the ahci driver is natively used by synology an all models and is part of the kernel, so whatever happens to driver support, this should always work i point out at the 6.2.2 compatibility problems (longer time no compatible drivers) or the still existing scsi/sas problems with 918+ i did not wanted to say you should have read this before updating, its more about that its not voodoo, there is a fully logical explanation what happened in theory you would have been able to see in dmesg (or lspci) that there is a pcie device for the controller but no driver is loaded and that pcie device would have been able to track as ide mode of the intel chipset controller and with its pci vendor and device id it would be possible to see what (kernel) driver is needed and at this point you would see that the driver is not present in the driver store of synologys dsm and the extra.lzma 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hansel Posted January 19, 2021 Author Share #47 Posted January 19, 2021 Is it safe to update the system to 6.2.3-25426 Update 3? All successful updates on the HP microserver machines seem to have a Intel NIC installed. I don't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billat29 Posted January 19, 2021 Share #48 Posted January 19, 2021 Update 3 is fine. The Intel nic is not required for 6.2.3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marskid Posted March 11, 2021 Share #49 Posted March 11, 2021 (edited) I have a Windows 10 N40L like @hansel with Moded firmware from 2013, original onboard NIC, 8Gb none ECC RAM, Sata expansion card & AMD Graphics card for HDMI output. I have a spare flash drive and new 4xHD ready. I would like to wipe it and install CLEAN DSM 6.2.3 Guessing first thing is to change bios to TheBay. Will I be able to use the gfx card or best to pull it out ? Can someone Please provide the steps I need to get 6.2.3 installed or point me to a working guide. Edited March 11, 2021 by Marskid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billat29 Posted March 11, 2021 Share #50 Posted March 11, 2021 It depends what you are trying to achieve, if you just want to run DSM on the box across the 4 drives then you don't want either the SATA expansion card or graphics card. The BIOS you have will do. You just need to make sure that the drives are in AHCI mode and that C1 is disabled in the BIOS. You will need the 1.03b DS3615xs or DS3617xs loader and 6.2.3. There's a whole lot of information listed here: https://xpenology.com/forum/topic/36294-dell-r510-12bay-baremetal-requirments/?do=findComment&comment=174827 You can ignore references to setting csm / legacy mode because that is all the N40L has. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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