aTm10452 Posted May 22, 2020 Share #1 Posted May 22, 2020 (edited) Hello, I am using Xpenology DSM3615XS 6.2-23739 Legacy Mode. My Plan is to Dedicate 2 USB Ports for ESATA Only, cz i Intend to Usb my 256 GB 3.0 USB as ESATA HDD for my Virtual Machine Volume which is running out of Space as shown in the Picture Below. Things u need to know i have a problem on my machine i tested so many DSM version and on all Ports all USB will be ejected after 5 secs,However in Virtual Machine the Usb ports work great. I am using X79-ZD3 Motherboard from Aliexpress with a CPU Intel Xeon E5 2620-V2 16 GB DDR3 REG-ECC with 14 USB ports All in All For Some Reason this Board works on two DSM Versions ONLY 1-DSM3615XS 15047 UEFI 2-DSM3615XS 23739 Legacy I watched this Video : I tried to Understand his Logic ...But i end up with All Ports as ESATA or I need to use all USB ports whihc are Preconfigured then it will start detecting the new USB i added as ESATA. If someone can Help me My plan is to make a)12 internal HDD b)2 Esata c)12 USB ports If there s a way to know which are the 3.0 usb Ports so i can chose 2 of them as Esata and if it's better to set the USB ports as Internal HDD it would be better, since i can add it to the Volume 2 Thank you in advance. Edited May 22, 2020 by aTm10452 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IG-88 Posted May 23, 2020 Share #2 Posted May 23, 2020 7 hours ago, aTm10452 said: For Some Reason this Board works on two DSM Versions ONLY 1-DSM3615XS 15047 UEFI 2-DSM3615XS 23739 Legacy that's normal and documented https://xpenology.com/forum/topic/13333-tutorialreference-6x-loaders-and-platforms/ 7 hours ago, aTm10452 said: I watched this Video : I tried to Understand his Logic ...But i end up with All Ports as ESATA or I need to use all USB ports whihc are Preconfigured then it will start detecting the new USB i added as ESATA. the synology default looks like this esataportcfg="0xff000" internalportcfg="0xfff" usbportcfg="0x300000" for extending usb from 2 to 14 you would need this usbportcfg="0x3fff00000" without any esata and only usb its this esataportcfg="0x0" usbportcfg="0x3fff000" i din't get the point why you want to define two usb ports as esata ports, these are both external devices so in the way how dsm uses the two types would be no difference i did not try this but i guess having two usb ports recognised as esata would need to overlap esataportcfg="0x3000" usbportcfg="0x3fff000" that way 2 esata ports are overlapped by two usb ports thats a ivalid configuration and its not safe to use as dsm can react different to this in later versions in theory the point where the overlap happens can be shifted, it would be the two "bits" (4 bits a hex number) esata 00 0000 0000 0011 0000 0000 0000 usb 11 1111 1111 1111 0000 0000 0000 if its two other usb ports to be esata like this esata 00 0000 1100 0000 0000 0000 0000 usb 11 1111 1111 1111 0000 0000 0000 -> esataportcfg="0xc0000" usbportcfg="0x3fff000" don't blame anyone when your system does not work es expected and i did not test these numbers, there are chosen in the way i think it would work also keep inn mind there settings will be back to defaults when updating a bigger version like 6.2.2 -> 6.2.3 (~250MB pat file) in that case the system starts with default values and might not recognize the disks that are now unknown (only the two first usb ports would work) and you would need to change the values again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aTm10452 Posted May 23, 2020 Author Share #3 Posted May 23, 2020 Thank you for replying .....My point is to dedicate 2 usb ports to work as Esata or Internal HDD so i can add them to the raid for my volume 2 cz it s a virtual machine volume so if i put any usb in these 3.0 two ports the DSM will detect them as Internal HDD ... however the rest of the ports DSM will detect them as normal USB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IG-88 Posted May 23, 2020 Share #4 Posted May 23, 2020 why not using a sata controller, your board has 3 pcie slots using a JMB585 based card (pcie 3.0 support) would be even better than a usb 3.0 drive, even a 8 port lsi fusion based sas controller is possible or if you have to a pcie 1x based 88se9215 (there are even M.2 sata controller you could use) imho esata would not change anything compared to usb, it will be shown as external storage and you cant create a raid with it when it comes to ease of mint and performance you should buy a sata controller to add more ports and use them the way its intended i cant see why your sata disks (screenshot) are all over the place, you have 4 internal ports and ...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aTm10452 Posted May 23, 2020 Author Share #5 Posted May 23, 2020 I have 4 internal ports and a pcie to Sata (has 6 ports) 4 of them are used while 2 other disks are plugged in sata ports which is in the board and i have a Pcie to 3.0 USB Ports (4* 3.0 ports) i had to buy this cz all the build it ports won't work in all DSM Versions, they do detect the USB when connected but in 4 secs or so they eject the USB by itself ( i tries with NTFS,Ext4,Ext,Fat32 ......) same for all Anw i have no HDD anymore I simply have a 256GB USB 3.0 i intend to use it as internal HDD to extend the Virtual Machine BTrfs Volume Please check this video and give me your opinion: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IG-88 Posted May 23, 2020 Share #6 Posted May 23, 2020 3 hours ago, aTm10452 said: Anw i have no HDD anymore I simply have a 256GB USB 3.0 must be a old unit out of waranty so why not peel off the usb case and use the internal sata drive? (there are a few where the internal drive is not a independent sata anymore so work in a way you can put it back together) the video is pretty much all you need to know, 1st define all as internal to find out whats the position of the usb 3.0 you want to use as intenal and then define all other usb ports as usb, leaving only the ports meant to be internal in the line of internel ports mas disk set to 24 (default is 12) internal 1111 1111 1111 1111 1111 1111 = ffffff usb 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 esata 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 example for two usb drives as internel internal 0000 0001 1000 1111 1111 1111 = 18fff usb 1111 1110 0111 0000 0000 0000 = fe7000 esata 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aTm10452 Posted May 23, 2020 Author Share #7 Posted May 23, 2020 this Solves the Problem, Thank you Sir very Much ...How can i Close this thread and mark it as Solved?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aTm10452 Posted May 25, 2020 Author Share #8 Posted May 25, 2020 I have added 45 HDD Succesfully as u told me I set all Ports as Intyernalcfg, no sata no usb Ports I have 14 USB ports I inserted 2 USB 3.0 as testing 1-I Managed to Make the 1TB External USB as a SHR by itself I managed to create a Volume and a shared Folder Succesfully it works as a Normal Internal HDD however i can t Read Smart 2- after finishing with the 1TB i inserted along with it another USB 238GB 3.0 USB my plan was to heck the number of Ports the DSM reads I kept the 1TB plugged in (it was Disk number 21) The problem is no matter in what other port i plugged the 238GB USB it keeps reading it as disk number 22. My plan is to try setting only two ports as Internal while the rest are USBcfg IF that works i will post it again so everyone can learn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IG-88 Posted May 25, 2020 Share #9 Posted May 25, 2020 8 hours ago, aTm10452 said: I have added 45 HDD Succesfully as u told me I set all Ports as Intyernalcfg, no sata no usb Ports really? read/count again, my suggestion was 24 drives - bcause higher number might be trouble when it comes to raid, 24 is safe 8 hours ago, aTm10452 said: 1-I Managed to Make the 1TB External USB as a SHR by itself I managed to create a Volume and a shared Folder Succesfully it works as a Normal Internal HDD however i can t Read Smart you forgot the video you linked above,that was mentioned, you can still peel off the usb (reversable) and use the sata drive https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adh34zyG9Hs 8 hours ago, aTm10452 said: 2- after finishing with the 1TB i inserted along with it another USB 238GB 3.0 USB my plan was to heck the number of Ports the DSM reads I kept the 1TB plugged in (it was Disk number 21) The problem is no matter in what other port i plugged the 238GB USB it keeps reading it as disk number 22. might be normal when usb drives are just counted in the row how they are found, we also see this with the lsi sas controller drivers with sata drives that migh get a bigger problem when booting up with more then the two usb drives made internal the meant to be external usb might and up as 21 and push the other "internal" drives one up each and if you just defined 21 and 22 as internal it will push one of the internals to a external position you would need to test what happens when one ore more usb drives are added when the system is running and what happens when you boot with the drives connected, also you would need this with all 12 other usb positions - lots of work and if's much easier and safer to get the sata drives out of the usb cases Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aTm10452 Posted May 25, 2020 Author Share #10 Posted May 25, 2020 17 minutes ago, IG-88 said: really? read/count again, my suggestion was 24 drives - bcause higher number might be trouble when it comes to raid, 24 is safe you forgot the video you linked above,that was mentioned, you can still peel off the usb (reversable) and use the sata drive https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adh34zyG9Hs might be normal when usb drives are just counted in the row how they are found, we also see this with the lsi sas controller drivers with sata drives that migh get a bigger problem when booting up with more then the two usb drives made internal the meant to be external usb might and up as 21 and push the other "internal" drives one up each and if you just defined 21 and 22 as internal it will push one of the internals to a external position you would need to test what happens when one ore more usb drives are added when the system is running and what happens when you boot with the drives connected, also you would need this with all 12 other usb positions - lots of work and if's much easier and safer to get the sata drives out of the usb cases Ok i'll try to test all what u said ...So far i have another Problem the DSM won't Turn off or Restart no matter if I use Putty or do it from DSM ....The ping is Gone can't see the DSM after shutdown BUT the PC is still Turned on ....If i unplug the PC from Power will this Damage my HDD ?! I tried to Boot with one USB on ...I waited for 700 Sequence ping it didn t give me an IP so i had to restart and turn it on again ..I received a Ping after 300 Sequence Ping I know SHR can't be build on more than 24 Disks...But i can create 2 SHR and make Clone Volumes as Backup ....I found this Option at a Software called Hyper Backup I haven t done it yet but i saw the option there One thing u need to take into consideration the DSM is installed on Volume 2 and nothing is done on that Volume except Virtual Machines. My next Test would be to find a way to dedicate 2 ports as USBcfg while everything Else as Internal cfg I am using 6.2-23739 If you have any other stuff you would like me to test let me know before i update the DSM to a newer Version maybe this will fix the Shutdown/Restart Error i have Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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