Vernon Posted March 20, 2019 Share #1 Posted March 20, 2019 Is it possible to boot up from a small internal SSD as opposed to a USB thumb drive? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mervincm Posted May 11, 2019 Share #2 Posted May 11, 2019 you can boot from a USB connected SSD, not from a sata connected ssd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vernon Posted June 13, 2019 Author Share #3 Posted June 13, 2019 Sorry for the late reply but thanks for the info. I am still running on a thumb drive and it has been flawless. Thanks again! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TyphoonNL Posted August 1, 2019 Share #4 Posted August 1, 2019 you actually can boot from SSD (sata connected ssd) because i did that a few years ago with the XPEnoboot it is not as easy as 1-2-3 and you need a usb stick and a backup/restore program (i used Paragon Hard Disk Manager) don't know if it still works with the new loaders but i will try Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TyphoonNL Posted August 2, 2019 Share #5 Posted August 2, 2019 i copied the partitions from the usb stick to the ssd and put the ssd in the machine without the usb stick and it boots no i want the software on my ssd as well, like on my xpenology machine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TyphoonNL Posted August 4, 2019 Share #6 Posted August 4, 2019 well DSM 6.2 and Jun's loader are giving me a headache i tried the same method using DSM 5.2 and XPenoboot and it just works, weird for XPenoboot and DSM 5.2 what i did was just install it normally XPenoboot on the USB stick and an empty SSD (in my case a 32GB SSD) after its installed i turned the machine off and put both the usb stick and the 32GB SSD on my main pc and used Paragon Hard Disk Manager to backup the partition from the USB stick then restore the partition and put it on the SSD, so you get: Partition 1: DSM Partition 2: DSM Partition 3: XPenoboot make sure Partition 3 is set to active and just Safely Remove the hardware in windows and put it on the other pc WITHOUT THE USB STICK! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bearcat Posted August 9, 2019 Share #7 Posted August 9, 2019 @TyphoonNL : Maybe a little hint for you: What VID/PID is your SSD supposed to use after cloning your USB stick? (assuming you know how Jun's bootloader for DSM 6.x work). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TyphoonNL Posted August 9, 2019 Share #8 Posted August 9, 2019 (edited) you can't set a vid or pid for the usb, so ignore that part for some reason my method only works on 5.x EDIT: forgot to say about partition 3, format it in FAT32 and change it to FAT32 with LBA Edited August 9, 2019 by TyphoonNL 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TyphoonNL Posted August 9, 2019 Share #9 Posted August 9, 2019 i meant to say SSD, not USB here is what my 32GB SSD looks like Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bearcat Posted August 10, 2019 Share #10 Posted August 10, 2019 @TyphoonNL I think you missed my point: On 8/5/2019 at 12:33 AM, TyphoonNL said: well DSM 6.2 and Jun's loader are giving me a headache There is a reason why it gives you a headache, it won't work, as the bootloader needs to know the vid/pid of the bootdevice (USB stick). If you clone your USB to a SATA connected device, your cloned vid/pid info will be wrong, and your system will not boot. So the answer to @Vernon question in post 1. would be "Yes, but it depends on what DSM version and bootloader you are using". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TyphoonNL Posted August 10, 2019 Share #11 Posted August 10, 2019 it will boot, but it doesn't know the DSM 6.x location so you need to reinstall it, but it will install it on the SSD, while the bootloader is also on the SSD it doesn't know the location of the DSM 6.x after you put the bootloader on the SSD pid and vid is only for in the DSM that it doesn't show the usb in DSM 5.x it doesnt show the SSD as a removable device because the DSM is installed on it if XPenoboot had a 6.x version instead of Jun's bootloader then it could work it needs MBR table and 1 partition Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horvathzeros Posted July 20, 2023 Share #12 Posted July 20, 2023 On 8/10/2019 at 4:25 PM, TyphoonNL said: it will boot, but it doesn't know the DSM 6.x location so you need to reinstall it, but it will install it on the SSD, while the bootloader is also on the SSD it doesn't know the location of the DSM 6.x after you put the bootloader on the SSD pid and vid is only for in the DSM that it doesn't show the usb in DSM 5.x it doesnt show the SSD as a removable device because the DSM is installed on it if XPenoboot had a 6.x version instead of Jun's bootloader then it could work it needs MBR table and 1 partition do you think this still possible today? or know any other ways to do it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dj_nsk Posted July 21, 2023 Share #13 Posted July 21, 2023 5 часов назад, horvathzeros сказал: do you think this still possible today? or know any other ways to do it? use DSM7 and modern bootloaders, and you will be happy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apriliars3 Posted July 21, 2023 Share #14 Posted July 21, 2023 @TyphoonNL I think you missed my point: There is a reason why it gives you a headache, it won't work, as the bootloader needs to know the vid/pid of the bootdevice (USB stick). If you clone your USB to a SATA connected device, your cloned vid/pid info will be wrong, and your system will not boot. So the answer to @Vernon question in post 1. would be "Yes, but it depends on what DSM version and bootloader you are using".Loader is possible to burn on ssdOn Proxmox you can boot from sata or media device like cd-rom, and Unraid with usb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horvathzeros Posted July 23, 2023 Share #15 Posted July 23, 2023 (edited) On 7/21/2023 at 4:40 PM, apriliars3 said: Loader is possible to burn on ssd On Proxmox you can boot from sata or media device like cd-rom, and Unraid with usb. No, this is not what i asked xd I mean to create partitions on the same SSD as the DSM is installed. I just want to know even is the DSM can overwrite that partitios with the boot on any update On 7/21/2023 at 5:52 AM, dj_nsk said: use DSM7 and modern bootloaders, and you will be happy No idea what u mean with that, any link to the think i want? Edited July 23, 2023 by horvathzeros Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dj_nsk Posted July 23, 2023 Share #16 Posted July 23, 2023 1 час назад, horvathzeros сказал: No, this is not what i asked xd I mean to create partitions on the same SSD as the DSM is installed. I just want to know even is the DSM can overwrite that partitios with the boot on any update No idea what u mean with that, any link to the think i want? before that, it was unclear what exactly you want. No, there is no such option (to place both the bootloader and the DSM data on the same SSD) I do not know - hardly anyone is doing it (flash drives are too cheap now) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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