Xeno Posted June 27, 2019 Share #126 Posted June 27, 2019 The latest script doesn't work with DSM version 6.2.2-24922, however it seems to work fine under mobile. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ed_co Posted July 12, 2019 Share #127 Posted July 12, 2019 (edited) On 1/24/2019 at 2:52 PM, raeesumer said: Thanks for the script. CPU information updated successfully. But the number of threads shows wrong. For Intel core i7 8700 processor, It is 6 core and 12 threads. But system shows 8 threads only. +1 Number of threads of the i7 8700 is incorrect!! I guess the calculation is wrong... If the owner of the script is about to support the 6.2.2-24922 version, could as well fix the bug... Even though it is really good to see your processor and not the crappy celeron one... Edited July 12, 2019 by ed_co 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gericb Posted July 14, 2019 Share #128 Posted July 14, 2019 I suspect that the overwhelming replies, feedback and aggressiveness of some here, might have alienated poor @foxbi, where he felt it was no longer worth the stress and effort in his daily busy working/personal life to devote anymore attention to his great work and efforts. If I am not mistaken, I believe along the threads, he has provided the source code and GitHub, other creative information/tips on how he made this magic for us....someone else might want to consider picking up where he's left off, back in December 2018. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FOXBI Posted July 26, 2019 Author Share #129 Posted July 26, 2019 (edited) Dear Xpenology forum members, I'm come back!!!! I have been very busy at work. So I could not cope with the changed code because I could not upgrade DSM. But! I have recently successfully migrationed the "ivybridge" of existing my systems to "haswell". I also added an additional LAN card. The latest version of "DSM 6.2.2-24922 Update 2" is now available for the DS3615xs, 918+ and other versions. I'll be updating and distributing the "ch_cpuinfo" tool soon so that it will work with the latest version. I'm sorry to have kept you waiting so long, and thank you for waiting. See you soon. Dear @Polanskiman , Thank you for your patience and care for the topic I could not manage. I'll update soon. Dear @gericb , Thank you for your concern and supportive mentality Edited August 1, 2019 by Polanskiman Edited comment 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 26, 2019 Share #130 Posted July 26, 2019 Hello, Thx for the new version. Not work on my configuration 😢 Loader 1.04b DS918+ DSM 2.2.2-24922 Update 2 ASROCK Z370M PRO4 - i5-8600K Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FOXBI Posted July 31, 2019 Author Share #131 Posted July 31, 2019 On 8/17/2018 at 11:41 PM, FOXBI said: Download links: ch_cpuinfo ver 1.1.0-r01 - new version update -> ch_cpuinfo.tar Today Update!! Download Available Right Now !!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FOXBI Posted August 1, 2019 Author Share #132 Posted August 1, 2019 (edited) On 7/13/2019 at 6:13 AM, ed_co said: +1 Number of threads of the i7 8700 is incorrect!! I guess the calculation is wrong... If the owner of the script is about to support the 6.2.2-24922 version, could as well fix the bug... Even though it is really good to see your processor and not the crappy celeron one... Edited July 13 by ed_co On 1/24/2019 at 10:52 PM, raeesumer said: Thanks for the script. CPU information updated successfully. But the number of threads shows wrong. For Intel core i7 8700 processor, It is 6 core and 12 threads. But system shows 8 threads only. My guess is that the maximum thread represented in DSM is 8. I have not had a system with more than 8 threads, so I have not checked, can you show me the full results of your system cat /proc/cpuinfo ? Edited August 1, 2019 by FOXBI add said 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FOXBI Posted August 1, 2019 Author Share #133 Posted August 1, 2019 On 1/5/2019 at 5:13 AM, Konfl1kt said: Is It influences productivity? If DSM shows 4 cores, then 6 work all the same, right? Just correct cpu information view It does not affect performance or anything. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FOXBI Posted August 1, 2019 Author Share #134 Posted August 1, 2019 On 12/24/2018 at 6:37 AM, gericb said: OK. Seems logical to me, if you could include the functionality to simple restore the "original" DSM code/information in those cases where things might have become corrupted or the backup was no longer the "original" DSM code/information. Something quite and simple. What do you think? Thank You for all of your hard work and magical code work! MUCH APPRECIATED! 3) Restore the function to backup and restore files easily. But, In the case of 2) Redo, if it is difficult to restore original by updating in lower version (eg. F.cpu .... -> h.cpu ....), It seems to have made. I do not know if it was the right answer to your question. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gericb Posted August 1, 2019 Share #135 Posted August 1, 2019 On 7/26/2019 at 6:32 AM, FOXBI said: Dear Xpenology forum members, I'm come back!!!! I have been very busy at work. So I could not cope with the changed code because I could not upgrade DSM. But! I have recently successfully migrationed the "ivybridge" of existing my systems to "haswell". I also added an additional LAN card. The latest version of "DSM 6.2.2-24922 Update 2" is now available for the DS3615xs, 918+ and other versions. I'll be updating and distributing the "ch_cpuinfo" tool soon so that it will work with the latest version. I'm sorry to have kept you waiting so long, and thank you for waiting. See you soon. Dear @Polanskiman , Thank you for your patience and care for the topic I could not manage. I'll update soon. Dear @gericb , Thank you for your concern and supportive mentality WELCOME BACK @FOXBI !!! You are most welcome!!! I hope all is well with you. I will look forward to your renewed creative magic. 😎 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 1, 2019 Share #136 Posted August 1, 2019 Hello ! Perfect ! Thx. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FOXBI Posted August 5, 2019 Author Share #137 Posted August 5, 2019 On 8/1/2019 at 11:00 AM, FOXBI said: On 7/13/2019 at 6:13 AM, ed_co said: +1 Number of threads of the i7 8700 is incorrect!! I guess the calculation is wrong... If the owner of the script is about to support the 6.2.2-24922 version, could as well fix the bug... Even though it is really good to see your processor and not the crappy celeron one... Edited July 13 by ed_co On 1/24/2019 at 10:52 PM, raeesumer said: Thanks for the script. CPU information updated successfully. But the number of threads shows wrong. For Intel core i7 8700 processor, It is 6 core and 12 threads. But system shows 8 threads only. My guess is that the maximum thread represented in DSM is 8. I have not had a system with more than 8 threads, so I have not checked, can you show me the full results of your system cat /proc/cpuinfo ? I have prepared 8 core and above environment and tested it and it seems to be well expressed. If the "/proc/cpuinfo" value is not displayed incorrectly, the assigned value appears normally. If you above 8 cores and check that the result of ch_cpuinfo matches the value of "/proc/cpuinfo" with the actual CPU or the assigned CPU. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ed_co Posted August 6, 2019 Share #138 Posted August 6, 2019 (edited) 19 hours ago, FOXBI said: I have prepared 8 core and above environment and tested it and it seems to be well expressed. If the "/proc/cpuinfo" value is not displayed incorrectly, the assigned value appears normally. If you above 8 cores and check that the result of ch_cpuinfo matches the value of "/proc/cpuinfo" with the actual CPU or the assigned CPU. I am very sorry for the delay. Find here the command line result: Spoiler $ cat /proc/cpuinfo processor : 0 vendor_id : GenuineIntel cpu family : 6 model : 158 model name : Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-8700 CPU @ 3.20GHz stepping : 10 microcode : 0xaa cpu MHz : 3201.000 cache size : 12288 KB physical id : 0 siblings : 8 core id : 0 cpu cores : 6 apicid : 0 initial apicid : 0 fpu : yes fpu_exception : yes cpuid level : 22 wp : yes flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe syscall nx pdpe1gb rdtscp lm constant_tsc arch_perfmon pebs bts rep_good nopl xtopology nonstop_tsc aperfmperf eagerfpu pni pclmulqdq dtes64 monitor ds_cpl vmx smx est tm2 ssse3 sdbg fma cx16 xtpr pdcm pcid sse4_1 sse4_2 x2apic movbe popcnt tsc_deadline_timer aes xsave avx f16c rdrand lahf_lm abm 3dnowprefetch ida arat epb invpcid_single pln pts dtherm hwp hwp_notify hwp_act_window hwp_epp intel_pt rsb_ctxsw retpoline tpr_shadow vnmi flexpriority ept vpid fsgsbase tsc_adjust bmi1 hle avx2 smep bmi2 erms invpcid rtm mpx rdseed adx smap clflushopt xsaveopt xsavec xgetbv1 bugs : cpu_meltdown spectre_v1 spectre_v2 bogomips : 6380.53 clflush size : 64 cache_alignment : 64 address sizes : 39 bits physical, 48 bits virtual power management: processor : 1 vendor_id : GenuineIntel cpu family : 6 model : 158 model name : Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-8700 CPU @ 3.20GHz stepping : 10 microcode : 0xaa cpu MHz : 3201.000 cache size : 12288 KB physical id : 0 siblings : 8 core id : 1 cpu cores : 6 apicid : 2 initial apicid : 2 fpu : yes fpu_exception : yes cpuid level : 22 wp : yes flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe syscall nx pdpe1gb rdtscp lm constant_tsc arch_perfmon pebs bts rep_good nopl xtopology nonstop_tsc aperfmperf eagerfpu pni pclmulqdq dtes64 monitor ds_cpl vmx smx est tm2 ssse3 sdbg fma cx16 xtpr pdcm pcid sse4_1 sse4_2 x2apic movbe popcnt tsc_deadline_timer aes xsave avx f16c rdrand lahf_lm abm 3dnowprefetch ida arat epb invpcid_single pln pts dtherm hwp hwp_notify hwp_act_window hwp_epp intel_pt rsb_ctxsw retpoline tpr_shadow vnmi flexpriority ept vpid fsgsbase tsc_adjust bmi1 hle avx2 smep bmi2 erms invpcid rtm mpx rdseed adx smap clflushopt xsaveopt xsavec xgetbv1 bugs : cpu_meltdown spectre_v1 spectre_v2 bogomips : 6380.53 clflush size : 64 cache_alignment : 64 address sizes : 39 bits physical, 48 bits virtual power management: processor : 2 vendor_id : GenuineIntel cpu family : 6 model : 158 model name : Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-8700 CPU @ 3.20GHz stepping : 10 microcode : 0xaa cpu MHz : 3201.000 cache size : 12288 KB physical id : 0 siblings : 8 core id : 2 cpu cores : 6 apicid : 4 initial apicid : 4 fpu : yes fpu_exception : yes cpuid level : 22 wp : yes flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe syscall nx pdpe1gb rdtscp lm constant_tsc arch_perfmon pebs bts rep_good nopl xtopology nonstop_tsc aperfmperf eagerfpu pni pclmulqdq dtes64 monitor ds_cpl vmx smx est tm2 ssse3 sdbg fma cx16 xtpr pdcm pcid sse4_1 sse4_2 x2apic movbe popcnt tsc_deadline_timer aes xsave avx f16c rdrand lahf_lm abm 3dnowprefetch ida arat epb invpcid_single pln pts dtherm hwp hwp_notify hwp_act_window hwp_epp intel_pt rsb_ctxsw retpoline tpr_shadow vnmi flexpriority ept vpid fsgsbase tsc_adjust bmi1 hle avx2 smep bmi2 erms invpcid rtm mpx rdseed adx smap clflushopt xsaveopt xsavec xgetbv1 bugs : cpu_meltdown spectre_v1 spectre_v2 bogomips : 6380.53 clflush size : 64 cache_alignment : 64 address sizes : 39 bits physical, 48 bits virtual power management: processor : 3 vendor_id : GenuineIntel cpu family : 6 model : 158 model name : Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-8700 CPU @ 3.20GHz stepping : 10 microcode : 0xaa cpu MHz : 3201.000 cache size : 12288 KB physical id : 0 siblings : 8 core id : 3 cpu cores : 6 apicid : 6 initial apicid : 6 fpu : yes fpu_exception : yes cpuid level : 22 wp : yes flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe syscall nx pdpe1gb rdtscp lm constant_tsc arch_perfmon pebs bts rep_good nopl xtopology nonstop_tsc aperfmperf eagerfpu pni pclmulqdq dtes64 monitor ds_cpl vmx smx est tm2 ssse3 sdbg fma cx16 xtpr pdcm pcid sse4_1 sse4_2 x2apic movbe popcnt tsc_deadline_timer aes xsave avx f16c rdrand lahf_lm abm 3dnowprefetch ida arat epb invpcid_single pln pts dtherm hwp hwp_notify hwp_act_window hwp_epp intel_pt rsb_ctxsw retpoline tpr_shadow vnmi flexpriority ept vpid fsgsbase tsc_adjust bmi1 hle avx2 smep bmi2 erms invpcid rtm mpx rdseed adx smap clflushopt xsaveopt xsavec xgetbv1 bugs : cpu_meltdown spectre_v1 spectre_v2 bogomips : 6380.53 clflush size : 64 cache_alignment : 64 address sizes : 39 bits physical, 48 bits virtual power management: processor : 4 vendor_id : GenuineIntel cpu family : 6 model : 158 model name : Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-8700 CPU @ 3.20GHz stepping : 10 microcode : 0xaa cpu MHz : 3201.000 cache size : 12288 KB physical id : 0 siblings : 8 core id : 4 cpu cores : 6 apicid : 8 initial apicid : 8 fpu : yes fpu_exception : yes cpuid level : 22 wp : yes flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe syscall nx pdpe1gb rdtscp lm constant_tsc arch_perfmon pebs bts rep_good nopl xtopology nonstop_tsc aperfmperf eagerfpu pni pclmulqdq dtes64 monitor ds_cpl vmx smx est tm2 ssse3 sdbg fma cx16 xtpr pdcm pcid sse4_1 sse4_2 x2apic movbe popcnt tsc_deadline_timer aes xsave avx f16c rdrand lahf_lm abm 3dnowprefetch ida arat epb invpcid_single pln pts dtherm hwp hwp_notify hwp_act_window hwp_epp intel_pt rsb_ctxsw retpoline tpr_shadow vnmi flexpriority ept vpid fsgsbase tsc_adjust bmi1 hle avx2 smep bmi2 erms invpcid rtm mpx rdseed adx smap clflushopt xsaveopt xsavec xgetbv1 bugs : cpu_meltdown spectre_v1 spectre_v2 bogomips : 6380.53 clflush size : 64 cache_alignment : 64 address sizes : 39 bits physical, 48 bits virtual power management: processor : 5 vendor_id : GenuineIntel cpu family : 6 model : 158 model name : Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-8700 CPU @ 3.20GHz stepping : 10 microcode : 0xaa cpu MHz : 3201.000 cache size : 12288 KB physical id : 0 siblings : 8 core id : 5 cpu cores : 6 apicid : 10 initial apicid : 10 fpu : yes fpu_exception : yes cpuid level : 22 wp : yes flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe syscall nx pdpe1gb rdtscp lm constant_tsc arch_perfmon pebs bts rep_good nopl xtopology nonstop_tsc aperfmperf eagerfpu pni pclmulqdq dtes64 monitor ds_cpl vmx smx est tm2 ssse3 sdbg fma cx16 xtpr pdcm pcid sse4_1 sse4_2 x2apic movbe popcnt tsc_deadline_timer aes xsave avx f16c rdrand lahf_lm abm 3dnowprefetch ida arat epb invpcid_single pln pts dtherm hwp hwp_notify hwp_act_window hwp_epp intel_pt rsb_ctxsw retpoline tpr_shadow vnmi flexpriority ept vpid fsgsbase tsc_adjust bmi1 hle avx2 smep bmi2 erms invpcid rtm mpx rdseed adx smap clflushopt xsaveopt xsavec xgetbv1 bugs : cpu_meltdown spectre_v1 spectre_v2 bogomips : 6380.53 clflush size : 64 cache_alignment : 64 address sizes : 39 bits physical, 48 bits virtual power management: processor : 6 vendor_id : GenuineIntel cpu family : 6 model : 158 model name : Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-8700 CPU @ 3.20GHz stepping : 10 microcode : 0xaa cpu MHz : 3201.000 cache size : 12288 KB physical id : 0 siblings : 8 core id : 0 cpu cores : 6 apicid : 1 initial apicid : 1 fpu : yes fpu_exception : yes cpuid level : 22 wp : yes flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe syscall nx pdpe1gb rdtscp lm constant_tsc arch_perfmon pebs bts rep_good nopl xtopology nonstop_tsc aperfmperf eagerfpu pni pclmulqdq dtes64 monitor ds_cpl vmx smx est tm2 ssse3 sdbg fma cx16 xtpr pdcm pcid sse4_1 sse4_2 x2apic movbe popcnt tsc_deadline_timer aes xsave avx f16c rdrand lahf_lm abm 3dnowprefetch ida arat epb invpcid_single pln pts dtherm hwp hwp_notify hwp_act_window hwp_epp intel_pt rsb_ctxsw retpoline tpr_shadow vnmi flexpriority ept vpid fsgsbase tsc_adjust bmi1 hle avx2 smep bmi2 erms invpcid rtm mpx rdseed adx smap clflushopt xsaveopt xsavec xgetbv1 bugs : cpu_meltdown spectre_v1 spectre_v2 bogomips : 6380.53 clflush size : 64 cache_alignment : 64 address sizes : 39 bits physical, 48 bits virtual power management: processor : 7 vendor_id : GenuineIntel cpu family : 6 model : 158 model name : Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-8700 CPU @ 3.20GHz stepping : 10 microcode : 0xaa cpu MHz : 3201.000 cache size : 12288 KB physical id : 0 siblings : 8 core id : 1 cpu cores : 6 apicid : 3 initial apicid : 3 fpu : yes fpu_exception : yes cpuid level : 22 wp : yes flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe syscall nx pdpe1gb rdtscp lm constant_tsc arch_perfmon pebs bts rep_good nopl xtopology nonstop_tsc aperfmperf eagerfpu pni pclmulqdq dtes64 monitor ds_cpl vmx smx est tm2 ssse3 sdbg fma cx16 xtpr pdcm pcid sse4_1 sse4_2 x2apic movbe popcnt tsc_deadline_timer aes xsave avx f16c rdrand lahf_lm abm 3dnowprefetch ida arat epb invpcid_single pln pts dtherm hwp hwp_notify hwp_act_window hwp_epp intel_pt rsb_ctxsw retpoline tpr_shadow vnmi flexpriority ept vpid fsgsbase tsc_adjust bmi1 hle avx2 smep bmi2 erms invpcid rtm mpx rdseed adx smap clflushopt xsaveopt xsavec xgetbv1 bugs : cpu_meltdown spectre_v1 spectre_v2 bogomips : 6380.53 clflush size : 64 cache_alignment : 64 address sizes : 39 bits physical, 48 bits virtual power management: As you can see is incorrect (8 processors are shown instead of 12). Find here the correct info for the i7 8700 processor: https://ark.intel.com/content/www/es/es/ark/products/126686/intel-core-i7-8700-processor-12m-cache-up-to-4-60-ghz.html Edited August 6, 2019 by Polanskiman Added spoiler tag. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papyy Posted August 10, 2019 Share #139 Posted August 10, 2019 (edited) Le 31/07/2019 à 20:02, FOXBI a dit : Today Update!! Download Available Right Now !!! Thx dude ! It works on my configuration : Jun's Loader v1.04b DS918+ // Asrock h270m-itx/ac // Intel Core i5-7600T Edited August 10, 2019 by Papyy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radga Posted August 19, 2019 Share #140 Posted August 19, 2019 ./ch_cpuinfo: line 79: cd: /root/Xpenology_backup/: Permission denied gzip: /root/Xpenology_backup/admin_center.js.gz: Permission denied gzip: /root/Xpenology_backup/mobile.js.gz: Permission denied PLS help! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 19, 2019 Share #141 Posted August 19, 2019 il y a 11 minutes, radga a dit : ./ch_cpuinfo: line 79: cd: /root/Xpenology_backup/: Permission denied gzip: /root/Xpenology_backup/admin_center.js.gz: Permission denied gzip: /root/Xpenology_backup/mobile.js.gz: Permission denied PLS help! Hello : 4. Switch user to root: Citation sudo su - (input admin password) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radga Posted August 19, 2019 Share #142 Posted August 19, 2019 2 минуты назад, EVOTk сказал: I entered the admin password 100% before this, there have never been problems Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Posted August 23, 2019 Share #143 Posted August 23, 2019 (edited) Seems to be working OK with Intel Core i3-9100F, on an ASRock Z390 Extreme4 MB with 32GB RAM. Below, before on the left, after running script on the right side. Edited August 23, 2019 by Justin 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
advin Posted August 27, 2019 Share #144 Posted August 27, 2019 it's work Thank you 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
viettanium Posted August 31, 2019 Share #145 Posted August 31, 2019 does it work with DSM 6.2.2 Update 3? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FOXBI Posted August 31, 2019 Author Share #146 Posted August 31, 2019 21 minutes ago, viettanium said: does it work with DSM 6.2.2 Update 3? Yes. you can do it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
viettanium Posted August 31, 2019 Share #147 Posted August 31, 2019 2 hours ago, FOXBI said: Yes. you can do it. thanks you, work like a charm! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gadreel Posted August 31, 2019 Share #148 Posted August 31, 2019 Does it work with VMs? I am using DS3615xs as a VM under Unraid and the CPU is "pc-q35-3.1" with cat /proc/cpuinfo I get model name : Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-9400F CPU @ 2.90GHz 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack78 Posted September 4, 2019 Share #149 Posted September 4, 2019 DSM 6.2.2-24922 Update3 works fine with Intel Atom D510 Wysłane z mojego MI 9 przy użyciu Tapatalka 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FOXBI Posted September 8, 2019 Author Share #150 Posted September 8, 2019 On 8/31/2019 at 9:05 PM, gadreel said: I am using DS3615xs as a VM under Unraid and the CPU is "pc-q35-3.1" with cat /proc/cpuinfo I get model name : Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-9400F CPU @ 2.90GHz Can you show me command result “dmidecode -t process”. I think... may be script running first “dmidecode” after refer “/proc/cpuinfo”. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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