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  1. I keep asking myself-we make our own drivers here sometimes for Nick cards that aren't supported by Synology. 

    Then I'm reminded that qnap has had Thunderbolt 3 for years, and now they sell a thunderbolt 3 add-in card. 

    So I did a little digging and found a guy online who successfully installed a thunderbolt 3 card in his DIY Nas system and got it working he direct connect it from his Mac to the card in his nas.. Below


    FYI I'm taking this guy at his word that he has this actually working but it appears as such



    Yes of course I understand I can use 10gbe, I do use it but I want tb3/4 much more. 

    BTW this would be using the TB3 in Networking mode.


    Are there any really smart people out there who think is a possibility that we could somehow implement this into Synology or at the very least unraid or freenas or OTHER free open NAS operating systems?? 



  2. 1 hour ago, IG-88 said:

    just a reminder we are in the section "Developer Discussion Room" - any further questions? ;-)

    about >80% of the posts are offtopic and i'm not counting myself as "developer" because i'm not committing any code to the git in question so ....

    As i am not a developer, i will not be posting here. Is there a Non-Dev discussion group that is elsewhere for this topic does anyone know of? Thanks

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  3. On 7/4/2021 at 5:37 AM, IG-88 said:

    there are xpenology users not having updated for years ...


    most of the stuff you are worried about should have been answered by yourself before installing xpenology for more then testing

    "bricking" (its not like that because its still possible to downgrade or do other things) can be prevented by disabling internet access to the ip address of you xpenology box and only installing proven updates manually (or disable access to all domains involved in updating)

    if security is most important don't use xpenology, you rely on a lot of code from the loader and drivers (or 3rd party packages) that you cant check, you trust a lot of people you dont know anything about and even if you trust them there is no guarantee about 3rd party hacking the one you are trusting or a man in the middle attack


    you can use open media vault as alternative to xpenology, its even possible to use it temporary by booting omv from a added media (can be usb or hdd), you might need to fix the volume label to mount the dsm data volume with omv but thats not a problem for later using dsm again


    if you prepare that media you can switch at any time  and still access you data by local network



    beside this its also good to have backup(s), should be normal as beside security/hacking there are also risks with hardware involved (specifically when dsm's ssd cache is involved i'd recommend having recent backup all the time)











    How do i do this? Just by not allowing external access to the box?

    Should i be blocking any of Synology's IP addresses? I thought i read somewhere of someone blocking their IP address.



     prevented by disabling internet access to the ip address of you xpenology box 




  4. Apologies as i started this thread while apparently under the influence and forgot i created it. Been dealing with some personal stuff lately. 

    Thank you for your contributions. Will name best answer too. 


    The only thing i don't see a blot of is FOMO posts about this. Are there a lot of them? Where are they, on Reddit or something?

    Or are we speaking in historical terms, as in people getting FOMO about updates in years past, or regarding just this one or what?


    FOMO may be true, but i dont feel as if any of the questions were unreasonable. DOUBLE POSTING would be unreasonable 😉

  5. Thanks all and IG88


    So i think i made my post so it was not understood properly.


    What i was getting at is: There must have been instances in the past, where because of whatever reason, people could not update Xpenology to latest DSM because when they do it bricks their system or whatever. Like right now, if i were to try to update to 6.2.4, from the Updates posts, all i see is UNSUCCESSFUL, so i cannot update.

    It seems to have been like this for some time. 

    After reading below thread i understand a little bit more about why 6.2.4 doesn't work. And having people Speculate on why or if Synology is blocking Xpenology users is pointless. 


    My questions are less about security and more about the chances of ever being able to update Xpenology again. More concerned about functionality. And eventually updating to VER 7.0.



    • Based on history,  and OG Xpenology users, have there been points in the past where we went without being able to update DSM for long periods? How long did it take for a fix? This may be a moot point now, but was my true question.
    • What ARE the chances that someone will fix something so that we can update Xpenology DSM again? Good? Bad? Maybe another moot point but....
    • @IG-88 Your multiple references to Security have now peaked my curiosity. Is there some other reason we should be concerned about security other then not being able to update DSM? Are you @IG-88 moving your personal NAS away from Xpenology? if so why?
    • @IG-88 when you say:

      can be prevented by disabling internet access to the ip address of you xpenology box 

      are you saying like go into router and prevent Xpen box from internet somehow? How would one do this? In DSM or router? Sorry for NOOB question

  6. At least on Baremetal, i don't see any option to safely update to 6.2.4 unless i am missing something

    I haven't been on Xpen long enough (still sort of newbie) to have been around for the history of Xpen and instances where we couldn't update successfully. At least for this long, seems like its been months since we could update. 


    • What do we do? Just patiently wait? Which is fine... See if someone can fix/patch? Go to another platform?
    • Did Synology possibly do this to kill the Xpenology project? (maybe a silly question)
    • What are the chances I wake up one morning and get an automatic update and be bricked? How can I prevent auto/background updates besides simply update settings in DSM?
    • In the past, in instances where Synology updated software that Xpen did not like, and people couldn't successfully update, how long did people wait to update (until someone fixed loader i assume) their Xpen builds, years? How many years, or how long did it take to fix?
    • What are the chances that we'll be able to update past 6.2.3? 
    • What are the potential problems with staying on 6.2.3 besides not being able to get latest package updates?
    • Is it completely fine to stay on 6.2.3 for a long long time, should i not worry about it?



    2x DS918+ 1.04b   2x B365M HD3 mobo,   8gb ram.   1 with/10tb and 1 with/7tb


    Something appears to be trying to login into both my ds918+'s from INTERNAL IP via SSH!!! But Synology is blocking it.. I've not used SSH in months, until i ran netstat 2 hours ago. Both NAS's had DDNS on them and were exposed to internet but I just removed everything,  changed admin and user account login info, disabled ssh, removed port forwards and any DHCP IP reservations in router and a host of other things. 


    You can see the issue/problem in images below.(attached) This issue is happening for both Nas's, and at the same time last night. 


    The problem is i cannot diagnose which IP it is. The symptoms that led me to factory reset my routers happened PRIOR to me getting this error msg from DSM(in below image), hence giving ALL my 30+ devices new ip addresses (therefore i cannot trace yet) For all I know, whatever did this has a new ip given by router.

    I have a guess that it may have came from a wifi thermostat ip or possibly from my 21 year old's pc or himself, he was up at this hour when this happened. He isnt the smartest pc guy and i don't even think he knows what SSH is. He can sometimes download weird stuff, but he went and wiped his win 10 pc today for me so idk.


    A very senior member(imho) here said i should be very worried about this and to do netstat commands, also turn on logging in dsm so i did. 

    But I don't know how far to go from here. Today I got new router, changing all network settings, then all my passwords for everything.

    I'm making extra backups currently to usb, then to wipe both nas boxes eventually.


    My fear is that whoever they are, are ready to Ransomware, and already own me and all my data etc.  The data is backed up so not worried, but changing passwords will be a pain and calling my thermostat company(Honeywell) to change info is never a treat, but manageable. I may even get newer thermostats for home.


    • Has anyone heard of this?
    • Should I be very, very worried like the other member said?
    • Is this some weird DSM thing? Could this not be from an actor?
    • What lengths must I go to flush this bad actor out if so??
    • Am I overreacting? 
    • Can anyone provide me some good advice? I'll buy ya a coffee for your troubles





  8. I thought I'd post here, not seeing a thread explaining what the deal is with the latest intermediate updates failing and so few people testing them, my curiosity got the best of me, unless i'm just missing something completely, which has been known to happen. 😉

    Though not the newest member, I've been on Xpen 2 years maybe? I do have some noob-type questions since noticing the two latest updates failing, and not seeing a lot of discussion of it.

    In my short time here I cannot recall new updates like 25554/25556 failing so quickly, and it does concern me. But again, I'm relatively new.

    And I'm sure this isnt the first time this has happened, where Jun or others have had to fix loaders 


    MY HW 2x Identical Baremetal DS918+ Xpen's 1.04b With Gigabyte B360-hd3's I3-8100's both working fantastically on DSM 6.2.3-25426 Update 3 


    My questions regarding this are:


    • Should we be concerned? Long term, with the intermediate updates not working? (assuming we already have backups and have all the functionality we need) 
    • Could DSM 6.2.3-25426 Update 3 possibly be the last safe Xpen Version for us using Jun's Loaders?
    • Is Jun still kicking around to come up with a possible solution? Or anyone else?
    • How often in the past have 2 consecutive updates failed right out of the gate like the latest intermediate updates have?
    • Is there any particular reason, such as a major OS change, or Synology wanting to rid us "Open Sourcers" of this beautiful software, that is causing these updates not to work?
    • Have Xpen users been migrating to alternatives to Jun's loader or other solutions noobs may not be aware of? if so what's out there for Baremetal?




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  9. Hey flyride, 

    It's been a while since I read the spec of 918+ Xpen dsm but quick question about 10gbe.


    I Have 2 918+ 1.04b baremetal all ssd arrays- both with pcie x1 intel nic to router. Then, I have x540-t2 in both units. Not using on board Realtek nic. 

    I Have the x540-t2's direct connected but showing only 1 network interface in dsm for the x540-t2 cards, it's not showing both. For example I want to link aggregate and bind. 


    I recall reading something about a max lan port limitation for Xpen 918+ but not sure,i forgot. 


    • Is this most likely caused by me not using an extra.lzma?


    • Would this be because I only listed 1 nic in config when setting up the dsm usb drive? 
    • To solve this would I need to remake the dsm usb drive but add the extra.lzma


    I'm trepidatious to remake usb drives because there's important data on 1,backed up to the other. 



  10. Yes to confirm they both support sata. Tested and good.


    So i did end up cloning the raid drive and it seems to work.


    But theres a problem.... with every reboot, or even sometimes not rebooting the drive is reporting that dsm cannot access system partition.

    So, it allows me to click Repair, and it repairs in two seconds. I needed the samsung 840 drive so it got wiped. Yeah stupid..

    Im probably going to backup elsewhere.


    But, i just don't get it.  Can i remedy the "failed to access partition" somehow? especially since i just have to click Repair and it fixes immediately? 

    Have you guys ran into this? Where a drive often keeps saying this just to repair in 2 seconds after clicking repair? Any ideas?


  11. 6 hours ago, flyride said:

    M.2 SATA drives should be seen by DSM as regular disk.  Sometimes there are limitations on motherboards where a physical SATA port will be disabled when M.2 SATA is active (nothing to do with XPE).  I suppose it's possible that there could be a controller dedicated to the M.2 SATA that would have to be addressed with extra.lzma, but that seems unlikely.

    Wow this is fantastic news, especially for people like me with 2-3 Xpen ds918's with 4-6 expty m.2 slots. 


    Thanks again Flyride! 

  12. On 12/26/2020 at 2:04 AM, flyride said:

    The #179 report looks anomalous. Specifically the drive once reported the reserved block count total below the threshold but now it isn't.

    The drive has no bad blocks, no historical read errors, and it is now reporting no usage of the reserved block count.  And it's at 90% life.  I would just keep using it.


    Hey Flyride, i didnt want to open a new thread. But you know how Xpen/Synology, using NVME as storage is a pain?

    Does the same apply to using an M.2 Sata drive? Not nvme but sata?


    Can one use m.2 sata drives for storage without any extra config in Xpenology? 

    Or is it the same idea as NVME?

  13. Thanks for the help my dudes.


    I'd really like to check out cloning the drive just to see. My issue is that this 840 evo is a 500gb and my spare is Sandisk Ultra II 480gb. 840 evo has 460gb available and the Ultra II has like 440-450gb available so its close. Secondly, i have a SanDisk ssd already installed in this array but it is "unsupported", the only drive in the array thats not supported.  i have to assume this Sandisk is also "unsupported" . I Guess i could See DSM getting a little mad at all this if i were to try to clone.

    Maybe ill start ssd shopping.?



    Fyi i did a S.M.A.R.T. Extended test after my OP today for the first time ever on the drive and I've got more specifics. From what i understand, the 840 evo is reallocating space and the drive is basically getting smaller. And btw, the 840 evo msata is connected via an msata to sata adapter acting as a 2.5 inch ssd though this may not be relevant

    But check out these smart attributes: Anything look amiss to you guys here? Or not much to worry about?

    I wish i knew how to check the actual space left on ssd after it reallocating space.






  14. My ALL SSD RAID0  NAS Xpen DS918+ (for TV/Movies only) is giving me error after 2-3 years of solid commendable service and streaming many 50GB-100GB UHD Hevc MKV Remuxes over the years, amongst other things. 


    It  IS very fast because of Raid0, but contains nothing i cannot live without. it would only be a small pain in the ass to re-download the movies/shows I've attained here.

    And fyi, don't preach to me about the Raid 0, I've read it a thousand times, i don't care.. I keep my important stuff on other, Redundant DS918's the correct way.


    But, i need to know if i can and how to clone 1 single SSD from this Raid0, the dying POS 840 EVO, to another ssd to replace, and pop back in the system without much fanfare.

    FYI, i don't have any disk errors flying up at me, or any problems whatsoever,  it just bugs me to see this garbage about "This drive was in warning status" Blah Blah.


    I'd prefer to spend the least time possible for tis BS to be repaired.


    There MUST be a simple way to clone Drive 6 with like a bootable Acronis USB or similar to new 500gb ssd, and replace the Dying, old, Samsung 840 Evo in this Pig, no?

    This shouldn't be complicated...













  15. All i can say is try it man.


    I'm getting closer to purchasing a TB3 card, the asus version is $25 on amazon.

    My thought is these things come with their own chips, almost like they are their own entities similar to, for example,  a pcie to  sata AIC to get more sata ports. Right?

    Again i'm no tech chip genius, but it might work? report back!



    Great advice flyride! 


    Haha i knew that talking about Raid 0 here might get me in trouble 😆  

    Literally all it contains is downloaded movies and TV shows on the Raid 0. If it failed i wouldn't care too much.

    If it were my other 918 with family photos and vids collection, yes i would be in tears if it failed. I back this one up via usb btw.

    But i guess i didnt think about the fact that if i add my imortant HDD's to my Raid 0 array, that could really screw me up.


    I will check out the  U-NAS 810.




    One last question?


    I'm pretty sure i've read it might be frowned upon here, i dont remember, but i always get nervous when someone suggest a reinstall of the os because A. i searched long and hard for my Legit 918 serial/mac combos and don't want to lose them B. more importantly, i often go years between creating the usb boot drives and because i'm not up to code/date i end up screwing them up.


    Do you know of an easy foolproof way to clone the flash drives we use to boot these Xpenologies?



  17. 2 minutes ago, flyride said:


    The array I/O modification part has nothing to do with ESXi or NVMe.



    Jun's loader is also a hack but is leaving the DSM system in a state it expects to see itself in.  Shutting down /md0 and /md1 replicas leaves DSM in a state it never expected to be in, so there is no guarantee there won't be a problem in the future.  However, the worst thing I've encountered in several years of running partial /md0 and /md1 arrays is unexpected resumption of replicas on drives I was attempting to omit.


    Ok this makes sense. Sheesh, looks a little complicated for my level of skill.


    Here's my issue. I have two HUGE pc cases both with z390/i3-8100 both 918+ running and its taking up a lot of space and the wiring is annoying i guess.

    On top of that i have another big windows tower i use for downloading/editing/managing the DS918's.

    I cant afford to go and buy 7-10tb of SSD storage again...  The reason for the all ssd 918 array is because on regular hdd spin drives my serviio bogs down sending out 50-100gb Hevc blu ray rips over my network. Its like the HDD's are too slow or something. And trust me I've ruled out network issues.



    I'm almost curious if i could buy a rack and install all these in that?  Dont know if server racks allow multiple motherboards/systems in one, never tried it.


    Just trying to think of the best solution for space, without compromising speed on DS918 #1 (ssd nas) I absolutely LOVE the speed of 10tb of SSD's in Raid 0



  18. 2 hours ago, flyride said:



    2. Can the DSM OS be installed only on some drives and not others (in your case, SSD and not have it on HDD)?


    Sort of. You can disable the disk I/O to the DSM and swap partitions on the HDD drives via procedure detailed in the link below.  It cannot reclaim the space; the DSM and swap partitions must continue to exist on the HDDs. They become hot spares that are activated if a SSD goes offline.  Please note this is not supported in any way by Synology and they have no intention for this to work - it's just something I figured out a long time ago.



    So i am definitely referring to this Flyride. And thanks for the quick reply! 


    I am in the process of copying/backing up all the data from the HDD's to a large 8tb drive on windows, then I'll format the HDD's, insert into the 918 with the SSD's.


    1. I see in the link you provided it says nvme and esxi. Will this work even though i am not on ESXI (i'm on baremetal) and not using NVME?


    2. And this question is simply out of curiosity: Why the Disclaimer about Not being supported by Synology? i assume most of what we do here does not exactly fill Synology with joy...




  19. I have 2 918+ units

    1-918 is all ssd array raid 0 for movies-need performance/speed

    1-918 is all hdd array holding software and all family photos. 


    Can I migrate 918 hdd array to the 918 ssd nas keeping the OS Only on the SSD Volume? 

    I do not was OS on hdd, only ssd


    Is this possible? 


  20. Excellent points from both of you Legends. i'm thinking im going to return it though it was only $100 open box





    Alternative, get a 2-port 10Gbe on desktop, direct connect 10Gbe ports to NAS, don't use the 10Gb switch at all.


    10Gbe switches are still noisy and hot.  Why use them if you don't have to?


    I have 2 port 10GBE cards in all devices already. Desktop, and both NAS DS918's 


    My reasoning for the switch is because my upload and download speeds within LAN To NAS via WIFI are terribly slow. Even to the da918+ Raid 0 SSD unit.

    I thought getting a 10GBE switch would solve this or at least make it faster??





    the switch in question is at least passive (13-15W) but still, two 10G ports are not that usefull when a 2port 10G nic is at hand

    there are 4 or 5 port sfp+ switches for a little above 100 bugs


    Ok, Lets Say i got a 4-5 port SFP+ switch. My cables/cards are RJ45 now so wouldn't i need an RJ45 to SFP+ adapter (at a cost of $30-$60 per) for each connection thence bringing cost to well over $200?


    P.S. Another reason i got the Netgear GS110MX switch is because i got it open box for $100 Amazon Warehouse. Normal price $168.00

  21. I'm lost on how to set up my new switch. 

    I got netgear GS110MX 10 port switch that has 2x 10gbe rj45 ports only. 


    my goal is to make transfers faster via wifi from laptop, hardwire desktop and at least one of my hardwired Xpen ds918+'s, preferably the one that's all ssd raid 0.


    Both my ds918+ Xpen have x540-t2 10gbe cards, and also a desktop with broadcom 10gbe card. 

    My router is Google wifi.


    Previously I had the desktop 10gbe direct connected to the ds918s and everything else using a 1g switch. I have cat6 and cat7 cables. 


    Also, my internet speed is slow at 200down 10up.


    My confusion is how do I setup this network the most effective way only having 2 10gbe ports on new switch? 


    Modem to Google wifi to 10gbe port on switch? and plug other 10gbe port into ds918+?  Then maybe direct connect one or two? Confused..